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Kavanaugh confirmation hearing

#1

I've tuned in for about 10 minutes and what is happening in the background is both sad and hilarious. Every few minutes a 'protester' will begin shouting and shrieking until removed. It's grown so tiresome that no one reacts. It is, in the most literal of terms, the sound and fury signifying nothing. Notice to the left: temper tantrums don't work anymore. More than anything, you're doing more to harm your cause.
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#2

Where do they even get these shriekers? It sounds like a cat being stepped on. Can't even understand what they say. I feel cheated. If they traveled all that way to say something and get arrested for it, I figure it must be important.
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#3

The democrats and anyone who supports them should rethink their life choices.
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#4

Answered my own question. Somebody is at the hearing with bags of cash and pieces of paper telling the "protesters" what to scream. Here's your money, here's your script, now get in there and interrupt the people's process.

from Real Clear Politics, some Texas doctors saw the process play out:

TOM SCHLUETER, TEXAS: Hello, I'm Dr. Tom Schlueter from Texas, we came here to participate in the hearings, to get in the line. They told us to be here at 8:00, 8:30 at the latest, to get in line to go inside and hear the hearings. We got here at about 8:15 and there was already 100 people in line, and most of them would be probably classified by me as 'opposing everything going on with Judge Kavanaugh,' and so we began to see a process of things unfolding as we were standing in line that kept the line from going ahead.

One thing was there were people who had come along... who had a bag of money, and people would hand them a piece of paper, and then they would give them money. So we know money was exchanged for some of the people to be here, just to protest.

There was no depth to what their understanding, they were just here to be a disruption, protesters. They were actually told, we heard them say this, 'when you go in, we want you to yell, to scream, and even possibly to get arrested.' So that was some of the processes we saw happening...

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DOCTOR CHRIS DUNDAS, CORPUS CHRISTI: Hey guys, I'm Dr. Chris Dundas from Corpus Christi in Texas, we're up here for these hearings. I gotta tell you, it was very sad. This is a very time-honored institution in the past, and these young people (mostly young people, but some old people) they seem to have no heartfelt convictions about why they are here. If you have to pay somebody to protest, that's a good tell... Being arrested and being proud of it. Some women came back from these hearings and they seemed disappointed they were not arrested...

DOCTOR BURTON PURVIS, ARLINGTON: Good afternoon, I'm doctor Morton Purvis from Arlington. This experience I shared with these other three guys was quite an enlightening one. I took off my credentials and walked among the people to get more information and be more acceptable to those around us. It was quite interesting as we listened to their attitudes and actions about why they were here and what they wanted to do.

The most telling thing was listening to them giving names and addresses, so when they were arrested, they were keeping a record and celebrating who got arrested, without any regard for any open discussion or even the possibility of being convinced of anything, it was just for the purpose of disruption and to have some kind of disruption of the process.
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#5

(09-05-2018, 06:18 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: Answered my own question.  Somebody is at the hearing with bags of cash and pieces of paper telling the "protesters" what to scream.  Here's your money, here's your script, now get in there and interrupt the people's process.

from Real Clear Politics, some Texas doctors saw the process play out:

TOM SCHLUETER, TEXAS: Hello, I'm Dr. Tom Schlueter from Texas, we came here to participate in the hearings, to get in the line. They told us to be here at 8:00, 8:30 at the latest, to get in line to go inside and hear the hearings. We got here at about 8:15 and there was already 100 people in line, and most of them would be probably classified by me as 'opposing everything going on with Judge Kavanaugh,' and so we began to see a process of things unfolding as we were standing in line that kept the line from going ahead.

One thing was there were people who had come along... who had a bag of money, and people would hand them a piece of paper, and then they would give them money. So we know money was exchanged for some of the people to be here, just to protest.

There was no depth to what their understanding, they were just here to be a disruption, protesters. They were actually told, we heard them say this, 'when you go in, we want you to yell, to scream, and even possibly to get arrested.' So that was some of the processes we saw happening...

...

DOCTOR CHRIS DUNDAS, CORPUS CHRISTI: Hey guys, I'm Dr. Chris Dundas from Corpus Christi in Texas, we're up here for these hearings. I gotta tell you, it was very sad. This is a very time-honored institution in the past, and these young people (mostly young people, but some old people) they seem to have no heartfelt convictions about why they are here. If you have to pay somebody to protest, that's a good tell... Being arrested and being proud of it. Some women came back from these hearings and they seemed disappointed they were not arrested...

DOCTOR BURTON PURVIS, ARLINGTON: Good afternoon, I'm doctor Morton Purvis from Arlington. This experience I shared with these other three guys was quite an enlightening one. I took off my credentials and walked among the people to get more information and be more acceptable to those around us. It was quite interesting as we listened to their attitudes and actions about why they were here and what they wanted to do.

The most telling thing was listening to them giving names and addresses, so when they were arrested, they were keeping a record and celebrating who got arrested, without any regard for any open discussion or even the possibility of being convinced of anything, it was just for the purpose of disruption and to have some kind of disruption of the process.

The tone, style and diction of those three "doctors" makes me want to send $6,000 to a Nigerian prince who also happens to be my long-lost dead uncle.
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#8

(09-05-2018, 08:39 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: This is how outbursts should be handled.

Very funny!
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#9

The man handing money to the Kavanaugh hearing protester is Vinay Krishnan. Consultant/organizer at Center for Popular Democracy,

Krishnan’s bio lists him as a “social justice attorney”. The Center for Popular Democracy “receives the bulk of its funding from George Soros” and back in May last year announced that they were setting up an “$80 million anti-Trump network that will span 32 states and have 48 local partners.”
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#10
(This post was last modified: 09-17-2018, 08:42 AM by StroudCrowd1.)

So, what are everyone's thoughts on this woman coming forward with a sexual assault charge from high school the weekend before the confirmation vote?
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#11

(09-17-2018, 08:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: So, what are everyone's thoughts on this woman coming forward with a sexual assault charge from high school the weekend before the confirmation vote?

I loved video games as a kid.  I wasn't really all that good at them, but hey it was a way to pass the time.  Sometimes, I go on YouTube to watch walkthroughs and actually see someone beat the levels that frustrated me so much.  It's really sad most of the time as the gamer explains that the boss/enemy launched at the same time the same way every time.  My 11 year old self never made the connection.  

Fast forward to adult life and politics....  Any serious male conservative comes forward and they're accused of sexual assault?  Like all of them?  The Catholic girls basketball coach?  Really?
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#12

(09-17-2018, 08:55 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(09-17-2018, 08:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: So, what are everyone's thoughts on this woman coming forward with a sexual assault charge from high school the weekend before the confirmation vote?

I loved video games as a kid.  I wasn't really all that good at them, but hey it was a way to pass the time.  Sometimes, I go on YouTube to watch walkthroughs and actually see someone beat the levels that frustrated me so much.  It's really sad most of the time as the gamer explains that the boss/enemy launched at the same time the same way every time.  My 11 year old self never made the connection.  

Fast forward to adult life and politics....  Any serious male conservative comes forward and they're accused of sexual assault?  Like all of them?  The Catholic girls basketball coach?  Really?

I'm not saying he didn't do it, but innocent until proven guilty is all but gone in this day and age.

IMO, there is nothing more morally bankrupt than a politically driven sexual assault charge.
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#13
(This post was last modified: 09-17-2018, 09:06 AM by mikesez.)

(09-17-2018, 08:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: So, what are everyone's thoughts on this woman coming forward with a sexual assault charge from high school the weekend before the confirmation vote?

If we take this woman at face value, he was under 18, he was drunk, and he was dared into it by an equally drunk friend.  It seems that grabbing at a girl through her clothes was their entire object; they wouldn't have let her get away if they actually wanted more. 
If her story is true, it is sad that she never told anyone, not even her friends afterwards.  She must have been very lonely deep down.  
But him? This is exactly the kind of thing that adult society should forgive in the young, assuming it didn't happen again.  It would have been better if he was held accountable when he was young, maybe suspended from school or something, and the girl got a chance to talk out what happened, but I guess that's happening now.
I think at this point we have to be patient.  If there is a more substantial sexual violation out there in his past, surely the victim will come forward in the coming days.  But if this is the only one, move forward but without calling the woman a liar.
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(This post was last modified: 09-17-2018, 09:13 AM by jj82284.)

(09-17-2018, 09:01 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(09-17-2018, 08:55 AM)jj82284 Wrote: I loved video games as a kid.  I wasn't really all that good at them, but hey it was a way to pass the time.  Sometimes, I go on YouTube to watch walkthroughs and actually see someone beat the levels that frustrated me so much.  It's really sad most of the time as the gamer explains that the boss/enemy launched at the same time the same way every time.  My 11 year old self never made the connection.  

Fast forward to adult life and politics....  Any serious male conservative comes forward and they're accused of sexual assault?  Like all of them?  The Catholic girls basketball coach?  Really?

I'm not saying he didn't do it, but innocent until proven guilty is all but gone in this day and age.

IMO, there is nothing more morally bankrupt than a politically driven sexual assault charge.

Mitt Romney was about as controversial as broccoli, he won the nomination and there was a story floating around that he beat up a gay student in high school.  There have been movies made about what happened to Clearance Thomas.  Herman Cain was in poll position to be the Republican nominee and u has 4 women make up stories for two seconds.  He dropped out and they went away.  I think Trump was up in the teens at one point.  All those went away on November 9th.  

This morning Conway is talking about having this woman who has 0 evidence of something that happened 4 decades ago testifying before Congress.  This is an unmitigated disaster.  They got sand bagged.  They should have gone with Barrett and we wouldn't have to deal with this scrap.  

We have tapes of people offering potential Trump accusers money to come forward.  That's a contribution that would not have existed but for the campaign...  But Michael Cohen gets arrested?  

#POED

(09-17-2018, 09:05 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(09-17-2018, 08:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: So, what are everyone's thoughts on this woman coming forward with a sexual assault charge from high school the weekend before the confirmation vote?

If we take this woman at face value, he was under 18, he was drunk, and he was dared into it by an equally drunk friend.  It seems that grabbing at a girl through her clothes was their entire object; they wouldn't have let her get away if they actually wanted more. 
If her story is true, it is sad that she never told anyone, not even her friends afterwards.  She must have been very lonely deep down.  
But him? This is exactly the kind of thing that adult society should forgive in the young, assuming it didn't happen again.  It would have been better if he was held accountable when he was young, maybe suspended from school or something, and the girl got a chance to talk out what happened, but I guess that's happening now.
I think at this point we have to be patient.  If there is a more substantial sexual violation out there in his past, surely the victim will come forward in the coming days.  But if this is the only one, move forward but without calling the woman a liar.

It's not possible.  That's why this could be checkmate.  He'll probably be confirmed but we're already down 13 points with women ahead of the midterms.
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#15

This is now the political "go-to" move. Sensitive enough to where it can't be swept under the rug due to its nature, but serious enough to where it can take time to resolve.

There can't be a human alive that truly believes this woman came to her senses the weekend before a conformation vote decades after the alleged "incident". If this were a year ago, odds are none of this would be happening because the sole purpose of this delay tactic is an attempt to get to the mid term elections before voting on Kavanaugh.

IMO, a hard example needs to be set for false accusations like this to make others think long and hard
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#16

Or his other confirmation hearings..... This was the 'safe' pic because of all the vetting.
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(09-17-2018, 09:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: This is now the political "go-to" move. Sensitive enough to where it can't be swept under the rug due to its nature, but serious enough to where it can take time to resolve.

There can't be a human alive that truly believes this woman came to her senses the weekend before a conformation vote decades after the alleged "incident". If this were a year ago, odds are none of this would be happening because the sole purpose of this delay tactic is an attempt to get to the mid term elections before voting on Kavanaugh.

IMO, a hard example needs to be set for false accusations like this to make others think long and hard

Looks like we may get to see how many male Republican senators have it in them to attack her credibility to her face, then go home to face their wives, daughters and female constituents.

As for a stalling tactic, I've got two words for you: Merrick Garland. You reap what you sow.
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(09-17-2018, 11:19 AM)rollerjag Wrote:
(09-17-2018, 09:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: This is now the political "go-to" move. Sensitive enough to where it can't be swept under the rug due to its nature, but serious enough to where it can take time to resolve.

There can't be a human alive that truly believes this woman came to her senses the weekend before a conformation vote decades after the alleged "incident". If this were a year ago, odds are none of this would be happening because the sole purpose of this delay tactic is an attempt to get to the mid term elections before voting on Kavanaugh.

IMO, a hard example needs to be set for false accusations like this to make others think long and hard

Looks like we may get to see how many male Republican senators have it in them to attack her credibility to her face, then go home to face their wives, daughters and female constituents.

As for a stalling tactic, I've got two words for you: Merrick Garland. You reap what you sow.

She can testify under oath this week. Kavanaugh is ready to do so immediately.

Are you saying a female accusing someone of sexual assault shouldn't have to testify because of the nature of the situation? Why would republican senators feel bad about facing the women in their lives after questioning a far left liberal over a sexual assault accusation decades later that came out before a confirmation vote?
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(09-17-2018, 11:28 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(09-17-2018, 11:19 AM)rollerjag Wrote: Looks like we may get to see how many male Republican senators have it in them to attack her credibility to her face, then go home to face their wives, daughters and female constituents.

As for a stalling tactic, I've got two words for you: Merrick Garland. You reap what you sow.

She can testify under oath this week. Kavanaugh is ready to do so immediately.

Are you saying a female accusing someone of sexual assault shouldn't have to testify because of the nature of the situation? Why would republican senators feel bad about facing the women in their lives after questioning a far left liberal over a sexual assault accusation decades later that came out before a confirmation vote?

She will testify willingly, and I agree the Senators have the right to question her. We'll see how tough they get. 

We're not talking about some porn star or Playboy model here. She's a well educated, successful woman who revealed this incident in a therapy session 6 years ago. Is she a bad person for suppressing a traumatic event for decades until she realized her assailant was about to be placed on the Supreme Court? If a man who your wife/secretary/co-worker accused of assaulting her in high school came to you looking for a job 40 years later, would you hire him, or instead question his accuser's credibility?
If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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(This post was last modified: 09-17-2018, 01:19 PM by jj82284.)

(09-17-2018, 12:19 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(09-17-2018, 11:28 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: She can testify under oath this week. Kavanaugh is ready to do so immediately.

Are you saying a female accusing someone of sexual assault shouldn't have to testify because of the nature of the situation? Why would republican senators feel bad about facing the women in their lives after questioning a far left liberal over a sexual assault accusation decades later that came out before a confirmation vote?

She will testify willingly, and I agree the Senators have the right to question her. We'll see how tough they get. 

We're not talking about some porn star or Playboy model here. She's a well educated, successful woman who revealed this incident in a therapy session 6 years ago. Is she a bad person for suppressing a traumatic event for decades until she realized her assailant was about to be placed on the Supreme Court? If a man who your wife/secretary/co-worker accused of assaulting her in high school came to you looking for a job 40 years later, would you hire him, or instead question his accuser's credibility?

And this is how due process dies
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