(09-25-2018, 03:23 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(09-25-2018, 02:43 PM)Jagwired Wrote: Thanks for your opinion on the matter. Opinion being the key word. Some would say cowering from the situation shows weakness. Some will let their loved ones be assaulted. Some, like me will not. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

If both you and the people you are protecting, like your wife, are able to leave, there is no benefit to fighting.  Leaving is by far the best choice.  If they try to prevent you from leaving, or follow you, that's a different matter and you have to retaliate in self-defense.  Anyone who thinks differently has a skewed vision of manliness. 
It's very simple.
Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
If no one throws the first punch, there are no punches.
If no one makes the first shove, there is no shoving.
Do only what you need to do to keep you and your family safe.
If you adopt any other ethic, you are the menace to society, as much as you may blame it on others.

I'm for preventing something before it happens. I'm not comfortable allowing people (especially men) standing in my 5'00'' wife's face while screaming, cussing, and throwing their hands in her face. I'm usually pretty reserved, but I'm more comfortable punching them in the face than standing idly by as their group gets angrier and grows more irrational. My vision of manliness is protecting my wife and daughter. Your's can be allowing them to get bullied, but your definition of manliness isn't mine.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to go straight into punching someone, but I saw several times when Cruz would've been justified.

As for the second group of highlighted text, that's entirely your opinion and may not actually reflect each situation. I'm curious when you'd actually defend yourself if you wouldn't ever throw the first punch.

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