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2017 Jags vs 2018 Jags

#1

As far as our defense it’s easy to expect the same or around the same results. Of course Campbell had a big game last year and racked up a franchise record of sacks. But most of us knew that wasn’t sustainable. We expected Yan to take off. So what is holding us back?

The offense is way worse. At this point we can hope Fournette comes back and rips the league up. We have to stay afloat until then.
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#2

Nothing is holding the defense back. They look great.

Injuries are hurting the offense. Inconsistency from the QB is also a factor.
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#3

(10-09-2018, 07:19 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: As far as our defense it’s easy to expect the same or around the same results. Of course Campbell had a big game last year and racked up a franchise record of sacks. But most of us knew that wasn’t sustainable. We expected Yan to take off. So what is holding us back?

The offense is way worse. At this point we can hope Fournette comes back and rips the league up. We have to stay afloat until then.

The 2 big differences i see are last season we had no real expectation as we didn't know what Jags would turn up, nobody respected us, nobody cared about us and we got some solid wins and took off. This year there is A LOT of expectation and not just a deep playoff run but a 14 win season. We are doing fine, the D is playing well and for all the Blake haters now, what were you saying after the Pats game? January Blake looked pretty good.

The second if the turnover differential. We had so many strip sacks and INT's last year and that helped the O with field position and the D were adding points. This year so far i think we are -7 and that's going to kill you in the long run. We've been sloppy with the ball on O, preventable fumbles and picks and i know the D will start making those plays, i imagine this week the D has been saying that they need to win some games for us now but we can't keep making the same mistakes.
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#4

(10-09-2018, 07:58 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(10-09-2018, 07:19 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: As far as our defense it’s easy to expect the same or around the same results. Of course Campbell had a big game last year and racked up a franchise record of sacks. But most of us knew that wasn’t sustainable. We expected Yan to take off. So what is holding us back?

The offense is way worse. At this point we can hope Fournette comes back and rips the league up. We have to stay afloat until then.

The 2 big differences i see are last season we had no real expectation as we didn't know what Jags would turn up, nobody respected us, nobody cared about us and we got some solid wins and took off. This year there is A LOT of expectation and not just a deep playoff run but a 14 win season. We are doing fine, the D is playing well and for all the Blake haters now, what were you saying after the Pats game? January Blake looked pretty good.

The second if the turnover differential. We had so many strip sacks and INT's last year and that helped the O with field position and the D were adding points. This year so far i think we are -7 and that's going to kill you in the long run. We've been sloppy with the ball on O, preventable fumbles and picks and i know the D will start making those plays, i imagine this week the D has been saying that they need to win some games for us now but we can't keep making the same mistakes.
I agree that this is the major issue. You can't depend on the defense to spot the offense 7 points a game. I think Marrone is trying to do away with that, but the injuries have made it really difficult, along with BB reverting to inconsistent gunslinger. I think the injuries on the o-line are a huge factor right now tho.


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#5

(10-09-2018, 07:19 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: As far as our defense it’s easy to expect the same or around the same results. Of course Campbell had a big game last year and racked up a franchise record of sacks. But most of us knew that wasn’t sustainable. We expected Yan to take off. So what is holding us back?

The offense is way worse. At this point we can hope Fournette comes back and rips the league up. We have to stay afloat until then.

Nothing is holding this team back.  I hate to bring up "strength of schedule" but think about it.  Last season we were playing divisional losers (based on the 2016 season) and not many people saw the Jaguars defense being what it is.

This season we are playing divisional winners (based on the 2017 season) and have a much tougher schedule (on paper).  Just look at this second quarter of the season.  It's probably the toughest stretch that anyone would have pointed out prior to this season.

@Chiefs <- Divisional Champs, only undefeated team in the AFC thus far.
@Cowboys <- Divisional Runner Up and were pretty good when Dak and Elliot were on the same page.
Texans <- Divisional opponent that was doing well until their QB got hurt.
Eagles* <- "Home" game (London) against a Divisional Champ as well as the Super Bowl Champs from 2017.

Prior to the season anyone would have said that 2-2 in the quarter would be good and that 1-3 would be likely.

Looking at it as this season progresses, 3-1 is much more likely for this quarter.  Cowboys just don't look good this season, Texans are trying to figure it out and are about like the 2016 Jaguars team and the Eagles just aren't the same and dealing with injuries.  The most dangerous team in this quarter is the Texans.  They have been in some pretty close games and are on the cusp, but still not there yet.


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#6
(This post was last modified: 10-09-2018, 09:26 PM by imtheblkranger.)

Regarding the offense:

2017:
129 pts, 798 pass/yds, 826 rush/yds, 4 INTs, 7 Pass TDs, 4 Defensive TDs.

2018:
102 pts, 1466 pass/yds, 555 rush/yds, 7 INTs, 8 Pass TDs, 1 Def TD.

Take away the 21 points difference from defensive scores, we've scored 6 less points on offense, gained 400 more yards (twice as many passing)

The offense is about the same as last season at this point. Skewed more to pass than rush.


For the Defense:

Points allowed through 5:

2017 - 83
2018 - 86

But.... the sky is falling.
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#7

The big difference through the first 5 weeks is that week five last year we went into Pittsburgh and got 5 take aways. This year week five we went into KC and turned it over 5 times.
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#8

(10-09-2018, 09:26 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Regarding the offense:

2017:
129 pts, 798 pass/yds, 826 rush/yds, 4 INTs, 7 Pass TDs, 4 Defensive TDs.

2018:
102 pts, 1466 pass/yds, 555 rush/yds, 7 INTs, 8 Pass TDs, 1 Def TD.

Take away the 21 points difference from defensive scores, we've scored 6 less points on offense, gained 400 more yards (twice as many passing)

The offense is about the same as last season at this point. Skewed more to pass than rush.


For the Defense:

Points allowed through 5:

2017 - 83
2018 - 86

But.... the sky is falling.

Na the sky ain’t falling. But those stats are crazy close. I guess we need our defense to wreck some upcoming games. Let’s start with them Cowboys this week.

Dak is chomping at the bit to throw 2 pick 6’s.
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#9

(10-09-2018, 09:39 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:
(10-09-2018, 09:26 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Regarding the offense:

2017:
129 pts, 798 pass/yds, 826 rush/yds, 4 INTs, 7 Pass TDs, 4 Defensive TDs.

2018:
102 pts, 1466 pass/yds, 555 rush/yds, 7 INTs, 8 Pass TDs, 1 Def TD.

Take away the 21 points difference from defensive scores, we've scored 6 less points on offense, gained 400 more yards (twice as many passing)

The offense is about the same as last season at this point. Skewed more to pass than rush.


For the Defense:

Points allowed through 5:

2017 - 83
2018 - 86

But.... the sky is falling.

Na the sky ain’t falling. But those stats are crazy close. I guess we need our defense to wreck some upcoming games. Let’s start with them Cowboys this week.

Dak is chomping at the bit to throw 2 pick 6’s.

I agree. I don't think people really remember how early 2017 went. Defense is actually a bit steadier this year. Last season we gave up 37 to TN then 7 to Bal. Then 23 to NYJ, then 9 to Pitt. Very back and forth early. 

Offense was very up and down early last year too. And our record is the same. I'm not worried at all except for the injuries.
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#10

Idk guys, I expected us to go 16-0 and anything less is an utter failure
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#11

(10-10-2018, 03:05 PM)JNev Wrote: Idk guys, I expected us to go 16-0 and anything less is an utter failure

Anything less than the Superbowl is failure at this point.
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#12

(10-10-2018, 03:39 PM)Inziladun Wrote:
(10-10-2018, 03:05 PM)JNev Wrote: Idk guys, I expected us to go 16-0 and anything less is an utter failure

Anything less than the Superbowl is failure at this point.

The sad part is I think you’re serious
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#13

We were 3-3 6 games in last year.. if we can beat a mediocre Dallas team we're still in good shape. Tennessee still has some tough games. We had to bring in some key signings to help push us forward with Dareus and Lambo. Charles could be that guy and maybe if we can find a LT that will be the catalyst we need to make another run.
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#14

(10-10-2018, 05:38 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: We were 3-3 6 games in last year.. if we can beat a mediocre Dallas team we're still in good shape. Tennessee still has some tough games. We had to bring in some key signings to help push us forward with Dareus and Lambo. Charles could be that guy and maybe if we can find a LT that will be the catalyst we need to make another run.

I want to look beyond the Titans. I'd like to see a first round bye.   I think that's doable.
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#15

(10-10-2018, 05:19 PM)JNev Wrote:
(10-10-2018, 03:39 PM)Inziladun Wrote: Anything less than the Superbowl is failure at this point.

The sad part is I think you’re serious

I mean I hope they win one in the next few years.
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#16
(This post was last modified: 10-10-2018, 11:24 PM by HandsomeRob86.)

(10-10-2018, 06:21 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(10-10-2018, 05:38 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: We were 3-3 6 games in last year.. if we can beat a mediocre Dallas team we're still in good shape. Tennessee still has some tough games. We had to bring in some key signings to help push us forward with Dareus and Lambo. Charles could be that guy and maybe if we can find a LT that will be the catalyst we need to make another run.

I want to look beyond the Titans. I'd like to see a first round bye.   I think that's doable.

I agree, but I think the tacks might actually be better this year than last. We need to put them in the rear-view first. I fully expect us to beat the Eagles and the Cowboys. We will see about the other two games.

(10-09-2018, 09:26 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: Regarding the offense:

2017:
129 pts, 798 pass/yds, 826 rush/yds, 4 INTs, 7 Pass TDs, 4 Defensive TDs.

2018:
102 pts, 1466 pass/yds, 555 rush/yds, 7 INTs, 8 Pass TDs, 1 Def TD.

Take away the 21 points difference from defensive scores, we've scored 6 less points on offense, gained 400 more yards (twice as many passing)

The offense is about the same as last season at this point. Skewed more to pass than rush.


For the Defense:

Points allowed through 5:

2017 - 83
2018 - 86

But.... the sky is falling.
Those 4 defensive TD are huge, we are really missing the turnovers.


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#17

the difference is less takeaways and defensive tds and more turnovers... and the injuries of course

the take aways and defensive TD's are not sustainable, like it or not that stuff is more luck tbh... our defense is just as good this year, we just wont be able to rely on that other stuff... that means the offense has to be better, and with injuries, and our QB... it just hasn't happened

IDC about yards.. the offense has been less reliable to make up for the lack of take aways and defensive scores
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#18

(10-11-2018, 08:32 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: the difference is less takeaways and defensive tds and more turnovers... and the injuries of course

the take aways and defensive TD's are not sustainable, like it or not that stuff is more luck tbh... our defense is just as good this year, we just wont be able to rely on that other stuff... that means the offense has to be better, and with injuries, and our QB... it just hasn't happened

IDC about yards.. the offense has been less reliable to make up for the lack of take aways and defensive scores

The offense has scored 6 less points even with more turnovers. If anything, that shows they are more able to overcome mistakes.
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#19

The defense seems to be playing more zone this year and less man coverage. I think that's why we're seeing less sacks and turnovers on the year. I don't know if Wash is trying to hold back on some of that until later on or just trying to keep opponents on their toes.

On offense it's pretty clear the injuries are hammering us along the trenches. And now it's bled over into the passing game and running game with ASJ and Grant out. Fournette's inability to stay healthy is hurting us. Pretty soon you may see an entirely different approach and look on offense from Hackett. We'll probably see more things tight and short. Maybe more timing routes.
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#20

The Jaguars had 28 sacks against the clots and tinhorns last year (neither of whom we've played btw).

Outside of those 4 games I don't think the pressure looks that different this year, especially compared to the last 6 games of last year and through the playoffs.
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