That's explains why you want lower standards for entrance to medical school.

What do you think I wanted to be a doctor?
or that I would have done it if it was less rigorous?
No.  From when I was old enough to see things that made me unique, I knew that I was clumsy, with jittery hands and that I don't like dealing with people much. I was always going to end up at a desk job.

Radiologists can be clumsy, have jittery hands, and work from home.

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What do you think I wanted to be a doctor?
or that I would have done it if it was less rigorous?
No.  From when I was old enough to see things that made me unique, I knew that I was clumsy, with jittery hands and that I don't like dealing with people much. I was always going to end up at a desk job.

Radiologists can be clumsy, have jittery hands, and work from home.

LOL I guess they didn't tell me that on career day.  Point is, there were many reasons why I didn't ever consider becoming an MD.  The length of time in school and the need to get nearly straight-A's were just two of them.  Needing to get straight-A's didn't scare me so much, I knew I could do it if I worked super hard, but I was always a "relax and take the B" kind of guy.  I worked just as hard as I needed to to get the B.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Radiologists can be clumsy, have jittery hands, and work from home.

LOL I guess they didn't tell me that on career day.  Point is, there were many reasons why I didn't ever consider becoming an MD.  The length of time in school and the need to get nearly straight-A's were just two of them.  Needing to get straight-A's didn't scare me so much, I knew I could do it if I worked super hard, but I was always a "relax and take the B" kind of guy.  I worked just as hard as I needed to to get the B.

So it sounds like the work you decry to get that MD did its job in keeping you out of the field. Had the requirements been less you might've made a huge mistake.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

LOL I guess they didn't tell me that on career day.  Point is, there were many reasons why I didn't ever consider becoming an MD.  The length of time in school and the need to get nearly straight-A's were just two of them.  Needing to get straight-A's didn't scare me so much, I knew I could do it if I worked super hard, but I was always a "relax and take the B" kind of guy.  I worked just as hard as I needed to to get the B.

So it sounds like the work you decry to get that MD did its job in keeping you out of the field. Had the requirements been less you might've made a huge mistake.

No, I wouldn't have become an MD anyways.  That's my point.  My gut reaction to people in pain is "stop whining." I'm not the right person for that job regardless of the academic requirements.
But I've made a nice career for myself and seen enough to know that while making the academic requirements harder does screen out some people, it does not necessarily screen out the right people.  Some of the engineers that got better grades then me have indeed had more career success than me, as you would expect.  Many have not.  I got B's in those weed-out classes like calc 2 and physics 2. Some of the kids who barely skated out with their C ended up being better engineers in the capstone classes.  Academic screening is a crude and very limited tool.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

What do you think I wanted to be a doctor?
or that I would have done it if it was less rigorous?
No.  From when I was old enough to see things that made me unique, I knew that I was clumsy, with jittery hands and that I don't like dealing with people much. I was always going to end up at a desk job.

Radiologists can be clumsy, have jittery hands, and work from home.

The Interventionists that worked on me saved my life, I owe those people a lot. Not one of them was jittery or clumsy, they are world class.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Most millennials now believe it's much better to just lie about having a college degree. Many employers don't even check. If they do, you simply don't get the job. If they hire you and then find out later, oh well you banked some good salary for a while. Rinse and repeat.

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Radiologists can be clumsy, have jittery hands, and work from home.

The Interventionists that worked on me saved my life, I owe those people a lot. Not one of them was jittery or clumsy, they are world class.

I was just pointing out that becoming a doctor doesn't automatically mean you need to have a steady hand and talk to patients. Glad you are alright though!

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Most millennials now believe it's much better to just lie about having a college degree.  Many employers don't even check.  If they do, you simply don't get the job.  If they hire you and then find out later, oh well you banked some good salary for a while.  Rinse and repeat.

Sounds like projection to me. Is that what you did? Or just wish you had done? Instead of ending up where you are?

Any time someones says "most xxx now believe" you know they don't know what they are talking about.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Mostly gleaned from an extensive discussion on Reddit involving Millennials saddled with college loans. Confirmed by HR personnel who weighed in on hiring practices and how seldom they bother to check credentials. Most jobs openings have nothing to do with their degree anyway. The penalty for getting caught is not a deterrent.

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The Interventionists that worked on me saved my life, I owe those people a lot. Not one of them was jittery or clumsy, they are world class.

I was just pointing out that becoming a doctor doesn't automatically mean you need to have a steady hand and talk to patients. Glad you are alright though!

Thanks for that. I had an internal infection that required a drain tube to hang out of my side for about 3 months. It got out of position once and the Sepsis started to finish me off. The IR had me on a table and had to modify the drain without anesthesia. I was literally stabbed in the chest repeatedly to get it in there and he had the best nerves I've ever seen, especially with what I was calling him and threatening to do to him when I got off the table. 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

As I said, C students.

Sorry.  My masters degree with 3.5 GPA doesn't understand what you mean.

In my experience, a college degree is pretty much useless in most cases.  In my specific field I've had to teach Electrical Engineering graduates the basics of how electricity works and how to hook up some batteries.  I've also had to explain the process of how a renewable energy source works and how to connect it.  I have also had to show some Computer Science graduates how to properly write and compile computer programs in various languages for various platforms.  Most were pretty lost without their Windows or Mac computers/operating systems.

I don't have a degree, yet I hold and have held the title of "Engineer" for the last 18 years of my career.  I also happen to be the lead at my job and make a very nice salary (over 6 figures).

Radiologists can be clumsy, have jittery hands, and work from home.

LOL I guess they didn't tell me that on career day.  Point is, there were many reasons why I didn't ever consider becoming an MD.  The length of time in school and the need to get nearly straight-A's were just two of them.  Needing to get straight-A's didn't scare me so much, I knew I could do it if I worked super hard, but I was always a "relax and take the B" kind of guy.  I worked just as hard as I needed to to get the B.

It sounds to me like the screening process worked in your case.  I want a doctor treating me or any of my family members to be a doctor because they were committed to putting in the time and effort.  I certainly wouldn't want my doctor to "relax and work just as much as needed to give a B kind of effort".

Getting back to the topic of this thread.  My biggest fear is that Gillum might actually win this election, at least if you believe the polling.  I'm not an "early voter" and plan on casting my vote tomorrow sometime.  I'm not a real big fan of DeSantis, and it's almost like this last presidential election.  I'll vote for him over the socialist alternative.

As far as the proposed amendments on the ballot, I am only voting "yes" on 1, 2 and 5.  Every other one gets a "no" vote from me.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Sorry.  My masters degree with 3.5 GPA doesn't understand what you mean.

In my experience, a college degree is pretty much useless in most cases.  In my specific field I've had to teach Electrical Engineering graduates the basics of how electricity works and how to hook up some batteries.  I've also had to explain the process of how a renewable energy source works and how to connect it.  I have also had to show some Computer Science graduates how to properly write and compile computer programs in various languages for various platforms.  Most were pretty lost without their Windows or Mac computers/operating systems.

I don't have a degree, yet I hold and have held the title of "Engineer" for the last 18 years of my career.  I also happen to be the lead at my job and make a very nice salary (over 6 figures).

Agree 100%. I received B.S in Computer Information Systems from UNF and use very little of what I learned in my day to day job. College is just an expensive way to show that someone is trainable and can likely follow structure.

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DeSantis is a Trump lackey and Gillum is a big government tool. Cream of the crap, really.

Since this thread touched on health care, and it's about Gillum, I wanted to ask about Gillum's belief that health care should be a right. I always want to ask people who believe that, if health Care is right, who then has the responsibility to provide it? Do these people believe that other people should be in servitude to them simply by virtue of their existence?

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DeSantis is a Trump lackey and Gillum is a big government tool. Cream of the crap, really.

Since this thread touched on health care, and it's about Gillum, I wanted to ask about Gillum's belief that health care should be a right. I always want to ask people who believe that, if health Care is right, who then has the responsibility to provide it? Do these people believe that other people should be in servitude to them simply by virtue of their existence?

Yes, they do and it's you; you need to pay up.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Today is the day you decide if you want a corrupt socialist who has never held down a real job in his entire life and has been a politician since age 22 OR a war veteran who will keep this economy going.

It is your choice.

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Today is the day you decide if you want a corrupt socialist who has never held down a real job in his entire life and has been a politician since age 22 OR a war veteran who will keep this economy going.

It is your choice.

I'm nervous.  Let's pray for sanity.

Final Quinnipiac poll has both florida dems plus 7, but pubs are 30k better on early vote differential than 2016.

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MSNBC already posted the results with 99% reporting. Congrats Gillum.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Today is the day you decide if you want a corrupt socialist who has never held down a real job in his entire life and has been a politician since age 22 OR a war veteran who will keep this economy going.

It is your choice.

You sound worried. A couple of months ago you thought this would be a slam dunk, didn't you? I guess you are easily fooled. You figured the Trump lap dog would be a shoo-in. Could be an interesting night.

Why do you feel the need to have yet another Ivy League elitist telling us how to live?

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Sorry.  My masters degree with 3.5 GPA doesn't understand what you mean.

In my experience, a college degree is pretty much useless in most cases.  In my specific field I've had to teach Electrical Engineering graduates the basics of how electricity works and how to hook up some batteries.  I've also had to explain the process of how a renewable energy source works and how to connect it.  I have also had to show some Computer Science graduates how to properly write and compile computer programs in various languages for various platforms.  Most were pretty lost without their Windows or Mac computers/operating systems.

I don't have a degree, yet I hold and have held the title of "Engineer" for the last 18 years of my career.  I also happen to be the lead at my job and make a very nice salary (over 6 figures).

LOL I guess they didn't tell me that on career day.  Point is, there were many reasons why I didn't ever consider becoming an MD.  The length of time in school and the need to get nearly straight-A's were just two of them.  Needing to get straight-A's didn't scare me so much, I knew I could do it if I worked super hard, but I was always a "relax and take the B" kind of guy.  I worked just as hard as I needed to to get the B.

It sounds to me like the screening process worked in your case.  I want a doctor treating me or any of my family members to be a doctor because they were committed to putting in the time and effort.  I certainly wouldn't want my doctor to "relax and work just as much as needed to give a B kind of effort".

I wouldn't want that either.  I'm not saying we should let people who consistently earn B's instead of A's become medical doctors.
I am saying that we should be asking, how many years do they have to earn those A's, and how many different classes do they have to earn them in?
Does an 18 year old who knows he wants to be an MD need to take intro to Anthropology or intro to Psychology? Do they need to take the same general calculus classes as engineers or should they be taking a shorter math class that is geared to getting them through chemistry only? Do they all need the physics 2 necessary to design an MRI machine, or can they just trust that it works? Do they need to take enough statistics to create new medical trials, or should they only take enough to be able to read and understand medical trials published by others?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

In my experience, a college degree is pretty much useless in most cases.  In my specific field I've had to teach Electrical Engineering graduates the basics of how electricity works and how to hook up some batteries.  I've also had to explain the process of how a renewable energy source works and how to connect it.  I have also had to show some Computer Science graduates how to properly write and compile computer programs in various languages for various platforms.  Most were pretty lost without their Windows or Mac computers/operating systems.

I don't have a degree, yet I hold and have held the title of "Engineer" for the last 18 years of my career.  I also happen to be the lead at my job and make a very nice salary (over 6 figures).


It sounds to me like the screening process worked in your case.  I want a doctor treating me or any of my family members to be a doctor because they were committed to putting in the time and effort.  I certainly wouldn't want my doctor to "relax and work just as much as needed to give a B kind of effort".

I wouldn't want that either.  I'm not saying we should let people who consistently earn B's instead of A's become medical doctors.
I am saying that we should be asking, how many years do they have to earn those A's, and how many different classes do they have to earn them in?
Does an 18 year old who knows he wants to be an MD need to take intro to Anthropology or intro to Psychology? Do they need to take the same general calculus classes as engineers or should they be taking a shorter math class that is geared to getting them through chemistry only? Do they all need the physics 2 necessary to design an MRI machine, or can they just trust that it works? Do they need to take enough statistics to create new medical trials, or should they only take enough to be able to read and understand medical trials published by others?

IMO, a college education is more than just being educated in the field you intend to go to. It is a whole education. Based on what you are saying, there should be trade schools specifically for people who want to be doctors. Just like HVAC, Plumbers, Electricians, etc. I don't believe that. I think you need tough (non-related) courses to weed out people who aren't serious about getting where they are going.

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