Today is the day you decide if you want a corrupt socialist who has never held down a real job in his entire life and has been a politician since age 22 OR a war veteran who will keep this economy going.

It is your choice.

I'm nervous.  Let's pray for sanity.  

Final Quinnipiac poll has both florida dems plus 7, but pubs are 30k better on early vote differential than 2016.

Meh, let them win. Things will never be the same as they were before. The left's violent, hate-filled close mindedness, their allies in the MSM, and the leverage of government against political opponents have all been gloriously exposed. People will soon grow tired of their dust farting leadership using the reigns of power to exact petty revenge for losing a presidential election they believed was their sovereignty. Government will come to a stand still as they derail it in order to wage their reprisals. Let it play out. They will consume themselves eventually.

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Today is the day you decide if you want a corrupt socialist who has never held down a real job in his entire life and has been a politician since age 22 OR a war veteran who will keep this economy going.

It is your choice.

You sound worried. A couple of months ago you thought this would be a slam dunk, didn't you? I guess you are easily fooled. You figured the Trump lap dog would be a shoo-in. Could be an interesting night.

Why do you feel the need to have yet another Ivy League elitist telling us how to live?

I am not worried about myself. I will be fine either way. I am worried about uninformed people who can't think for themselves.


While we are on the topic, I'll take a war veteran born in Jacksonville who went to Yale and Harvard over a guy who has never cashed a check not written by the government.

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I wouldn't want that either.  I'm not saying we should let people who consistently earn B's instead of A's become medical doctors.
I am saying that we should be asking, how many years do they have to earn those A's, and how many different classes do they have to earn them in?
Does an 18 year old who knows he wants to be an MD need to take intro to Anthropology or intro to Psychology? Do they need to take the same general calculus classes as engineers or should they be taking a shorter math class that is geared to getting them through chemistry only? Do they all need the physics 2 necessary to design an MRI machine, or can they just trust that it works? Do they need to take enough statistics to create new medical trials, or should they only take enough to be able to read and understand medical trials published by others?

IMO, a college education is more than just being educated in the field you intend to go to. It is a whole education. Based on what you are saying, there should be trade schools specifically for people who want to be doctors. Just like HVAC, Plumbers, Electricians, etc. I don't believe that. I think you need tough (non-related) courses to weed out people who aren't serious about getting where they are going.

Trade school to be a plumber or electrician would be an extreme example of what I'm talking about.
The number of things that we would both expect an MD to know is much bigger and takes more years than what we expect of an electrician or plumber.
And I never said that tough weed-out courses weren't warranted sometimes.
I just happen to think, when we have fewer doctors per capita than any European country, and a few Latin American countries, perhaps we have too many tough, non-related, weed-out courses. Supply is low, and kept low by ivory tower elites who don't care for patients. Perhaps that's why prices are high?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

IMO, a college education is more than just being educated in the field you intend to go to. It is a whole education. Based on what you are saying, there should be trade schools specifically for people who want to be doctors. Just like HVAC, Plumbers, Electricians, etc. I don't believe that. I think you need tough (non-related) courses to weed out people who aren't serious about getting where they are going.

Trade school to be a plumber or electrician would be an extreme example of what I'm talking about.
The number of things that we would both expect an MD to know is much bigger and takes more years than what we expect of an electrician or plumber.
And I never said that tough weed-out courses weren't warranted sometimes.
I just happen to think, when we have fewer doctors per capita than any European country, and a few Latin American countries, perhaps we have too many tough, non-related, weed-out courses. Supply is low, and kept low by ivory tower elites who don't care for patients. Perhaps that's why prices are high?

Just so I am clear, you are propsoing that we somehow lower the standard for people to become doctors because we have fewer doctors per capita than other countries?

Is it possible we just have less motivated people in our society today?

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My location was packed when I went around 9:30. This area is always pro republican so no worries really with N.E. Florida.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

Trade school to be a plumber or electrician would be an extreme example of what I'm talking about.
The number of things that we would both expect an MD to know is much bigger and takes more years than what we expect of an electrician or plumber.
And I never said that tough weed-out courses weren't warranted sometimes.
I just happen to think, when we have fewer doctors per capita than any European country, and a few Latin American countries, perhaps we have too many tough, non-related, weed-out courses. Supply is low, and kept low by ivory tower elites who don't care for patients. Perhaps that's why prices are high?

Just so I am clear, you are propsoing that we somehow lower the standard for people to become doctors because we have fewer doctors per capita than other countries?

Is it possible we just have less motivated people in our society today?

Our number of doctors per capita has been about what it is now for a very, very, very long time.  The AMA tightly controls the number of people allowed to get residency positions each year.  If all we did was reduce the number of courses, without breaking the AMA's chokehold, you'd end up with the same number of doctors.  The first thing to do is expand the number of residency slots and med school slots, and see if they all get filled up with qualified applicants.  They probably would get filled up.  If they didn't, then look at relaxing the number of courses required.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Just so I am clear, you are propsoing that we somehow lower the standard for people to become doctors because we have fewer doctors per capita than other countries?

Is it possible we just have less motivated people in our society today?

Our number of doctors per capita has been about what it is now for a very, very, very long time.  The AMA tightly controls the number of people allowed to get residency positions each year.  If all we did was reduce the number of courses, without breaking the AMA's chokehold, you'd end up with the same number of doctors.  The first thing to do is expand the number of residency slots and med school slots, and see if they all get filled up with qualified applicants.  They probably would get filled up.  If they didn't, then look at relaxing the number of courses required.

The only way I see them ever "relaxing" the requirement to become a doctor is if socialized medicine takes over in the US.

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Our number of doctors per capita has been about what it is now for a very, very, very long time.  The AMA tightly controls the number of people allowed to get residency positions each year.  If all we did was reduce the number of courses, without breaking the AMA's chokehold, you'd end up with the same number of doctors.  The first thing to do is expand the number of residency slots and med school slots, and see if they all get filled up with qualified applicants.  They probably would get filled up.  If they didn't, then look at relaxing the number of courses required.

The only way I see them ever "relaxing" the requirement to become a doctor is if socialized medicine takes over in the US.

C students welcome!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The only way I see them ever "relaxing" the requirement to become a doctor is if socialized medicine takes over in the US.

C students welcome!

Can't help but picture the doctor scene from Idiocracy.

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C students welcome!

Can't help but picture the doctor scene from Idiocracy.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Our number of doctors per capita has been about what it is now for a very, very, very long time.  The AMA tightly controls the number of people allowed to get residency positions each year.  If all we did was reduce the number of courses, without breaking the AMA's chokehold, you'd end up with the same number of doctors.  The first thing to do is expand the number of residency slots and med school slots, and see if they all get filled up with qualified applicants.  They probably would get filled up.  If they didn't, then look at relaxing the number of courses required.

The only way I see them ever "relaxing" the requirement to become a doctor is if socialized medicine takes over in the US.

The one thing has nothing to do with the other. You have a one track mind.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The only way I see them ever "relaxing" the requirement to become a doctor is if socialized medicine takes over in the US.

The one thing has nothing to do with the other. You have a one track mind.

I don't disagree with you there. My parents told me the same thing growing up. It's a blessing and a curse.

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You sound worried. A couple of months ago you thought this would be a slam dunk, didn't you? I guess you are easily fooled. You figured the Trump lap dog would be a shoo-in. Could be an interesting night.

Why do you feel the need to have yet another Ivy League elitist telling us how to live?

I am not worried about myself. I will be fine either way. I am worried about uninformed people who can't think for themselves.


While we are on the topic, I'll take a war veteran born in Jacksonville who went to Yale and Harvard over a guy who has never cashed a check not written by the government.

So heartwarming to know you're concerned for "them". In reality I'm pretty sure you want to be sure one of "them" isn't anywhere near the governor's mansion. Unless he's one of the groundskeepers.

Oh - being a "war veteran" means being paid by the government.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

It's not about relaxing standards, it's about not wasting the time and talent of a potential doctor so educators get paid to teach useless classes. Kids who have the potential to go to med school can be identified pretty early. Why waste a kids time with PE and art class? We waste what 1/2 of high school and undergrad with stuff that doesn't help and at the undergrad level represents 40 or 50 k in additional costs for nothing. That's not catering to the c student, that's attracting the type of high level stem talent that's currently being diverted to other sectors.

Also, the process needs to be open to more non linear career paths given that the person meets certain standards. One of the pioneers of cardiothorasic surgery was a guy named Vivienne Thomas. He lost his tuition in the bank failures in the depression and was forced to work as a janitor then a lab technician. After being self taught he was literally coaching licensed surgeons through the first surgeries redirecting the subclavian artery and was later made an instructor of surgical procedure at Johns Hopkins but wasn't allowed, at the time of his innovation, to actually perform the surgical techniques that he literally invented.

That's somewhat of an extreme example but at current there are a lot of candidates that choose other fields not because of lack of aptitude but because they may not have 1/4 million dollars or want to wait until their early thirties to start a family.

Milton friedman talked extensively about the role of the AMA in limiting the # of doctors, medical institutions and ittiration of practice to inflate the wages of its members. This is true of almost any union or Association. This is achieved through accreditation, licensure, and apprenticeship arrangements. In a true market economy, the performance history and credentials of any service provider inform the demand for the consumer, but we don't need a third party bureaucracy with perverse incentives to offer us a rubber stamp, simply the access to the information.

So in reality, the excesses in the artaficial truncation of the supply of medical talent causes us all to pay more for the same or lower quality of care than we would otherwise be able to find on our own. It also greatly limits the innovation in the kinds of practices developed because it insulates the service provider from actually having to compete based on cost to the consumer once we clear all of the hoops.

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I am not worried about myself. I will be fine either way. I am worried about uninformed people who can't think for themselves.


While we are on the topic, I'll take a war veteran born in Jacksonville who went to Yale and Harvard over a guy who has never cashed a check not written by the government.

So heartwarming to know you're concerned for "them". In reality I'm pretty sure you want to be sure one of "them" isn't anywhere near the governor's mansion. Unless he's one of the groundskeepers.

Oh - being a "war veteran" means being paid by the government.

Correct.  No socialists in the governor's mansion.

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I'm nervous.  Let's pray for sanity.  

Final Quinnipiac poll has both florida dems plus 7, but pubs are 30k better on early vote differential than 2016.

Meh, let them win. Things will never be the same as they were before. The left's violent, hate-filled close mindedness, their allies in the MSM, and the leverage of government against political opponents have all been gloriously exposed. People will soon grow tired of their dust farting leadership using the reigns of power to exact petty revenge for losing a presidential election they believed was their sovereignty. Government will come to a stand still as they derail it in order to wage their reprisals. Let it play out. They will consume themselves eventually.

Ooooh - doomsday scenario. I like it.

Do you also write Harlequin Romance novels?

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So heartwarming to know you're concerned for "them". In reality I'm pretty sure you want to be sure one of "them" isn't anywhere near the governor's mansion. Unless he's one of the groundskeepers.

Oh - being a "war veteran" means being paid by the government.

Correct.  No socialists in the governor's mansion.

But "Nationalist" in the White House is ok? Got it.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Meh, let them win. Things will never be the same as they were before. The left's violent, hate-filled close mindedness, their allies in the MSM, and the leverage of government against political opponents have all been gloriously exposed. People will soon grow tired of their dust farting leadership using the reigns of power to exact petty revenge for losing a presidential election they believed was their sovereignty. Government will come to a stand still as they derail it in order to wage their reprisals. Let it play out. They will consume themselves eventually.

Ooooh - doomsday scenario. I like it.

Do you also write Harlequin Romance novels?

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Correct.  No socialists in the governor's mansion.

But "Nationalist" in the White House is ok? Got it.

Yes.  Nationalism has been the hallmark of America's growth economically and the guiding force to form generational alliances that have protected the world.  

Socialism is the engine of economic stagnation on lack of supply.  

It shouldn't be that complicated.

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LOL at the Black Panthers in Georgia posing with AR15s in support of Stacey Abrams WHO WANTS TO BAN AR15s!!!!

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Meh, let them win. Things will never be the same as they were before. The left's violent, hate-filled close mindedness, their allies in the MSM, and the leverage of government against political opponents have all been gloriously exposed. People will soon grow tired of their dust farting leadership using the reigns of power to exact petty revenge for losing a presidential election they believed was their sovereignty. Government will come to a stand still as they derail it in order to wage their reprisals. Let it play out. They will consume themselves eventually.

Ooooh - doomsday scenario. I like it.

Do you also write Harlequin Romance novels?

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Correct.  No socialists in the governor's mansion.

But "Nationalist" in the White House is ok? Got it.

Exactly what is wrong with being a Nationalist?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

People in Detroit are being denied to vote because the voting machines are locked away.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.