(11-01-2018, 09:43 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:

(11-01-2018, 04:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: The guy who says the only serious race war in the country is the one against white people? And that blacks owe their freedom to white people?  

So maybe it is better to call him a racist, than a white supremacist.

So he doesn't support white supremacists?

He's also not racist because he disagrees with which race is most vulnerable to this "race war". As for the black people owing freedom to whites comment, that comment specifically addresses white people advocating, fighting, and dying to free slaves.

(11-01-2018, 07:05 PM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: Im gonna make this simple because I am not about to write an essay on this topic on a NFL Team forum (there are plenty online though), but how about: Black people were enslaved by the western world (or "whites") in the first place and throughout their history in the US (and other parts of the world), had to suffer from the consequences of said slavery, up until this day. After enslaving black people for about 200 years, we then treated them like lesser humans (aka [BLEEP]) for another 100+ years, and we still have issues with equality today.

The fact that some people twist this to somehow still project white people as being the superior, "bigger" race because they 'granted' black people their "freedom" and that they in turn "owe" said freedom to white people is just plain sick in my humble opinion. The phrasing of the sentence in question is disgusting.

That is factually incorrect. 

Africans were first enslaved by other Africans. Arabs followed them and took over much of the slavery in Africa. Then they were enslaved by Europeans. 

Around this time, by the way, an estimated 1 to 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved in Africa at the same time. This idea that Africans were the only people to suffer from slavery is absurd. They may have been on the receiving end of American slavery, but they certainly weren't the only people to be enslaved. Maybe you can explain how it was the European's fault that Africa suffers from the effects of slavery but not simultaneously the fault of other Africans and Arabs.

You are attempting to go even further back into history to pull off a tu quoque. So even if you have your history right you are committing a logical fallacy.
Slavery is wrong. It is always wrong. If I decide to buy a slave that somebody else has already captured and humiliated, and I keep that person in servitude, I am just as guilty as the original slaver. It's not like buying a big screen TV that the seller stole from your neighbor's house. a big screen TV could be owned legitimately or be stolen goods. A slave is always stolen goods.
Any discussion of slavery is also a discussion of if all humans have agency and dignity, or not.
You're trying to give the white race credit for giving the black race something that they deserved all along anyhow, and it doesn't really indicate that you understand the dignity and agency of all people in all times.

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