(11-26-2018, 08:57 PM)JackCity Wrote:

(11-26-2018, 08:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: The myth about Grier having a weak arm is kinda funny.   Here is a play from this weekend where he throws it 43 yards on a line when pressured and getting drilled as soon as he releases the ball.   He makes those throws on the regular and usually hits them in stride.  He can have enough zip on the ball in short passes as well when needed.  To say what ever team drafts him will have to scheme around his weak arm strenth is laughable.  Sounds like you have been on to much twitter.  

At 3:00

https://youtu.be/b0wFsJQyrzc?t=190


Just watched every pass again from his last game and seen him throw off his back foot twice.  One he was back peddling to elude the defenders and the other there was a defender in his face and he got drilled as he threw and it was a strike for a TD.  Will you post some of these throws off the back foot when he isnt pressured?  So his limitations are the myth of a weak arm, he throws off his back foot, and he is maxed out as a player?  Come on man I thought you would come with some facts and something better than that

A predictable response from you. Just to preface this I find it hilarious that you are being so defensive about a player I've already posted multiple times about loving. Being critical about players strengths and weaknesses is important, unfortunately you tend to just set up camp on a player and refuse to acknowledge the limitations to their play (that's how you end up thinking Tebow and Manziel would be good QBs) 

I don't think he has a weak arm, he has an average arm, which is why I said he has an average arm. Having an average arm means there are limitations as to where you can put the ball and the windows you can hit. So you adjust the offense around that. 
That throw you linked is a nice throw but not some supreme showing of velocity of either, nice tight spiral sure. He floats too many passes in situations where he shouldn't, i.e too often when he's throwing quick outs or to the perimeter the ball doesn't get there quick enough , his deep balls are generally tear drops (which have their own benefit/risk) and he doesn't show enough velocity on tight window throws.  His accuracy and placement are very good , his arm strength can be lacking. 

Again, as said above, he can play in the NFL with it and do well, but there are limitations to it. That's not to say he doesn't have some incredible throws or anything, it's just the reality of him as player. Andy Daltons arm is around average but he's capable of incredible throws too, he just doesn't show that velocity that often.  

Yeah he throws off his back foot too often, in both pressured and non pressured situations. A lot of his picks come from that where he'll throw off his back foot instead of just taking the sack, or he'll just be sloppy and lean back regardless. Definitely fixable but it's a limitation to his play atm.  

I'm going to be doing a full write up of Grier in the next two weeks so I'll show all my work on him and detail my points with evidence. 

Why don't you do one as well and we can compare and contrast?

Tebow was a better QB than we have ever had outside of Brunell and Manziel being a bust had nothing to do with his talents he was just a drug addict.  I dont have time to do a big wright up on a player nor am i the best writer.  Ill just wait for you to do yours and check it out.  But to say Daltons arm is average and then say Griers is average, Griers arm is much bettter than Daltons

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