(01-06-2019, 06:50 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:

(01-06-2019, 12:12 AM)mikesez Wrote: Local law enforcement takes its orders from local politicians.  It has always been that way.  The president can not compel them.  The only rule is they stand down if federal law enforcement shows up.

Many things could be "a matter of national defense," but the word "emergency" in all of its definitions implies something new.  For instance, the President has the authority to ground all air traffic in an emergency.  But it would make no sense if he let air traffic proceed as normal yesterday, for him to say there's an emergency and ground flights tomorrow, unless he learned about a new threat. 

There is no rule that orders local law enforcement to stand down. They may do it by choice because the Feds have better resources, but the Feds can’t come in and take over investigations despite what TV may tell you.

You never stop with those mental gymnastics. Since when has an “emergency” had a time frame on it? Unfettered immigration poses a risk to the economy and national security. This has always been undisputed until Trump said it.

I think you're getting technical.
The point remains that if federal law enforcement tells local law enforcement to get out of the way, the locals get out of the way, regardless of local feeling. See, for reference, Little Rock High School and the University of Mississippi, when each were forced to admit black students for the first time.

Whether or not a situation is an emergency depends on a variety of factors some of which have already been described here. These factors should be considered holistically with the others. And yes the time that the thing started versus the time that somebody decides to call it an emergency is absolutely one of those factors. You can call it mental gymnastics on my part but to I don't see anyone else here offering a more helpful definition.  A helpful definition of "emergency" would apply to this situation and many others.  A definition that just says, "no border, no country.  Violate border, is emergency!" is begging the question.  Do you have a more helpful definition, if you don't like mine?

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(01-06-2019, 08:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(01-06-2019, 06:50 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: There is no rule that orders local law enforcement to stand down. They may do it by choice because the Feds have better resources, but the Feds can’t come in and take over investigations despite what TV may tell you.

You never stop with those mental gymnastics. Since when has an “emergency” had a time frame on it? Unfettered immigration poses a risk to the economy and national security. This has always been undisputed until Trump said it.

The USA has no need for unskilled migrant immigration. We should seal the borders to any and all but those who can contribute to our society in a measurable and meaningful way. We all know it in our core, but votes have to be created one way or another. Meanwhile, I'm from the Federal Department of Communication. I'm going to need you and your yokel  local buddies off my jurisdiction.

all the powers of the federal government are Supreme over the powers of the state governments, but obviously the rights of the people are Supreme over the powers of both. You and I both know let me have a right to free speech and communication that neither can touch. So what in the world are you talkin about right now?

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