(01-08-2019, 09:48 AM)B2hibry Wrote:

(01-07-2019, 10:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: I did.  What did I say that is so ridiculous that you think it must be a joke?

Well, all of it quite frankly. Just to start, the Secure Fence Act (109-367) was signed under the 109th Congress and was largely partisan. At that time Dennis Hastert was speaker, a Republican, not Pelosi. Everything else you spouted was additional misguided opinion that actually runs contrary to reality.

Ah.  You're right.  I thought that had passed in 2007.
If it was 2007, Pelosi would have been speaker and would have supported it.  But it was not, and though many Democrats voted yes, Pelosi herself was a no.
The ol' number-storer between my ears has hiccups sometimes.
But Chuck Shumer did vote yes.
Many Democrats in the Senate voted yes.
The shutdown began before Pelosi became speaker, so I still wouldn't say it's her fault.  
It could be Shumer's fault, that he has changed his mind, but that seems less likely to me.

If we frame the argument as, Congress passed the secure fence Act in 2006, but never provided sufficient funds to build the fence described in the act, that makes Shumer and other Democrats look insincere for not funding it over the last 12 years but also it makes their current offer of 1.5 billion this year to add more fencing look reasonable.

If we frame the argument as, Trump wants a "big, tall, beautiful, solid wall," that would be something new.  That wouldn't be anything like the fence described in 2006. And we shouldn't expect anyone in the Senate to agree with it based on any past vote.  

So either way we frame the argument, it seems to me that the senators are the ones trying to be reasonable, today.

Also, let's not forget that Trump told Shumer to his face with the cameras on that he would take the blame for shutting down the government.  Why not take Trump at his word there?

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