(01-09-2019, 09:59 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:

(01-08-2019, 11:26 PM)mikesez Wrote: If someone told you that we need to ban alcohol now because their mom was killed by a drunk, you would say hey wait a second people get killed by people that are not drunk all the time, what is the prevalence? Or you would say, that doesn't matter people have a right to drink if they want to. You're a rational person.  A handful of stories is not going to change your mind. Even if those stories are really sad. 

But statistics might change your mind, right?

That's the best example of a false equivalency of all time. Congrats.

You mean false analogy. I mean, I think it's a decent analogy, but you don't.  So, ball is in your court: What would be a better analogy for the situation at the border?

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(01-09-2019, 11:13 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(01-09-2019, 09:45 AM)mikesez Wrote: I find your reasoning circular. If you're going to ignore statistical or utilitarian arguments because THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN OUR COUNTRY, where does it stop? If you get your wall, and it really magically cuts down on illegal immigration by 99%, but capturing that last 1% of them would cost $20 billion more, are we obligated to spend that money too?  Why or why not?

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Incorrect.  Illegal immigration was going down for 10 years straight. There was a small uptick last year, mostly due to crises in central Central America, but it's still much less than it used to be.

You do get that stopping them at the border is not the same as sending out the Round Up Gang to toss them out of the country, yes? You seem to be the type of guy who would use a bucket to bail water off of the Titanic.

I get that stopping people and rounding people up are two different things.
When we round up illegal immigrants and send them away, that's called deportation.  A judge has to rule that they are beyond a reasonable doubt here illegally before they get deported.  Even so, do you think the number of deportations has gone up or down during the last decade? Think about how many deportations you think there should be, and compare that to the number that actually occur.

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(01-09-2019, 10:16 AM)Jagwired Wrote:

(01-09-2019, 09:45 AM)mikesez Wrote:

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Incorrect.  Illegal immigration was going down for 10 years straight. There was a small uptick last year, mostly due to crises in central Central America, but it's still much less than it used to be.

I don't consider " Going down" from the unacceptable numbers of too damn many to slightly less than too damn many as working to stem the flow.

I'm not sure we are looking at the same numbers.  Everything I've seen says it has gone down a lot.  What are you looking at?

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