(02-10-2019, 03:03 PM)pirkster Wrote:

(02-10-2019, 04:09 AM)JackCity Wrote: I thought 2017 would have showed you the error of using logic like that to determine how good you think prospect is.

Also Haskins is projected to go top 5 and likely will be taken #2 or #3 if the Raiders don't fancy moving back. Only reason he isn't the de facto #1 in mocks is because A) The 49ers don't need a QB and B) It's early in draft season and they haven't expressed an interest in moving yet. 

If the jaguars moved to #1 he'd be the projected #1 pick. If they were only able to move to #2 he'd still be just as good as a prospect, it just means the 49ers wanted to stay pat and take their guy regardless of the trade bait.


Yes I think you're absolutely right on the decision making part

The point I'm trying to make here, is that there's a good chance the best QB of the class isn't Haskins - just the same way the best QB of the class wasn't Trubisky.

What we're seeing with the lack of strength at the top of this QB class, is that other positions are of much greater quality and value.  That doesn't happen when there's a quality franchise QB candidate at the top.  No, the eventual best of class aren't always there - which is my point.

Sure, Haskins could be the first off the board.  But like the class you keep pointing back to, the best of class could actually be taken later.  That's the danger in QB classes that aren't as strong as others.  Who "will be" the QB(s) to take aren't as clear.

I'm not sure where you're seeing this lock for top 5.  There's MUCH more defensive value there with the pass rushers and DL.  Sure, there could be someone willing to get ahead of the Giants, but that's not where the value is slotting him.  IIRC, he was initially advised top 20 and later it was narrowed to top 10 (after the news Herbert was staying in school.)  Any QB the Giants may take is stretching the value of these QBs, but that's not unusual with a shallow class like this.

Well that's a slightly different argument to "Haskins isn't projected to go #1 overall so he probably isn't a truly good franchise prospect". In 2017 you said Watson mustn't actually be a franchise QB prospect because he wasn't going to go #1 overall too. The same flaws in that process apply to Haskins.  

Its always possible that the best QB is not the first taken. Based on this class though I'd be willing to bet it's Haskins, especially if Kyler doesn't commit fully. That can happen in every QB class though, even the really strong ones.  

Haskins is a lock for top 5 by virtue of where all the QB needy teams are. History show you have to jump up to land the #1 QB in the draft , if the Jags want him, they're going top 5, if the giants want him, they are going top 5, if any teams below them want him, they are going top 5 etc etc.  

Yeah the draft advisory class are generally conservative with what they tell prospects but all I saw was both Herbert and Haskins got first round grades. Wasn't aware they publicly announced the pick range too.

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