(02-19-2019, 10:48 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:

(02-19-2019, 09:37 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: I'd totally understand that plan that if most the draftniks considered Haskins or Murray as super top level prospect. But most don't. Murray could be great, but has some big red flags and risks. Haskins has some very good qualities, but most are putting on the level of a better Trubisky.

Not to mention with that plan, the window to win those 10-12 games won't be until 2020/2021 at the earliest, most likely that means this Front Office/Coaching staff is gone by then and Yannick/Ramsey will be past their primes or long gone too.

I also don't think Foles will cost $25 million a year. I just don't see the market for it. Denver was the Jags main competition, but they took Flacco. Unless the Giants move on from Manning, no one else would make any big play for him.

Wait. What? So in one year, Ramsey and Yan will be past their prime? Explain.

With a run game and great D, this team could easily win 10 games next year with average QB play from Haskins. Also, Haskins is nothing like Trubisky so check where you’re getting that info.

When you have an elite/great QB, you give your team the best chance to win. Haskins, to me, has the chance. I would only rank him behind Mayfield and Darnold the past 2 seasons as prospects.

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Only 5 of those QBs won 10 games their 1st season. Nearly every QB on that list started 3 or more starting seasons in college.
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More QB's with 10+ wins, but every single one of them again had 3 or more seasons starting college.

Murray and Haskins may be good, but there is no way either is or will be pro-ready to lead a team with Super Bowl expectations in the next 2 seasons. If either leads a team with 10 wins, it will be a huge exception to what has happened since 2000. 

In regards to Yannick and Ramsey, both are 2016 draft picks, at worst, one is franchised for the 2020 season. Cost for both will easily be in the $30-$40 million+ window. Nearly the rest other key pieces of this defense will be gone by then to afford that. So the window is over for that group.

Now if you are banking on them drafting replacements for all those defensive positions, that is fine, but it is still a different window. Plus, do you have any confidence in the Jag's FO to pull that off that many moving pieces?

Ramsey has been publicly making statements about signing big name free agents because he wants to win. If this team never gets back to the ACF Championship game by 2021, do you really think he will sign a long term contract here?

On top of all that, 2 seasons is a long time in football years. There is a reason most NFL players have short careers. Injuries happen. And the Jaguars have not historically been a lucky franchise.

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