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Mueller Investigation Complete

#81

(04-19-2019, 09:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: By the way.  Anyone notice the dam Congress demanding the a.g. break the law and release grand jury testimony?

Yeah. I laughed. They must have all attended the AOC School of Legal Stuff.
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#82

(04-19-2019, 09:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: By the way.  Anyone notice the dam Congress demanding the a.g. break the law and release grand jury testimony?

(04-19-2019, 10:20 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 09:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: By the way.  Anyone notice the dam Congress demanding the a.g. break the law and release grand jury testimony?

Yeah. I laughed. They must have all attended the AOC School of Legal Stuff.

Precedent suggests otherwise.

Quote:Under U.S. law, grand jury testimony generally must be kept secret. But if a grand jury matter involves “grave hostile acts of a foreign power” or other intelligence information, the information can be shared with appropriate government officials. The law also lets a judge release grand jury information when strong public interest is at stake.

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#83

(04-19-2019, 10:24 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 09:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: By the way.  Anyone notice the dam Congress demanding the a.g. break the law and release grand jury testimony?

(04-19-2019, 10:20 PM)TJBender Wrote: Yeah. I laughed. They must have all attended the AOC School of Legal Stuff.

Precedent suggests otherwise.

Quote:Under U.S. law, grand jury testimony generally must be kept secret. But if a grand jury matter involves “grave hostile acts of a foreign power” or other intelligence information, the information can be shared with appropriate government officials. The law also lets a judge release grand jury information when strong public interest is at stake.

Except that we've already more or less established that there are no grave hostile acts of a foreign power left here to investigate.
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#84

(04-19-2019, 11:33 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 10:24 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Precedent suggests otherwise.

Except that we've already more or less established that there are no grave hostile acts of a foreign power left here to investigate.

Or that the dems would even attempt “elaborate precautions to insure against unnecessary and inappropriate disclosure of these materials.” 

I predict it will take them exactly 60 seconds to leak the unredacted report to CNN.
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#85
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2019, 01:36 PM by jj82284.)

In the Nixon case they had a tape of the president discussing a cover up with his chief of staff acknowledging that satellites of his were probably connected to the break in and halting an investigation for corrupt purposes. As such upon review of such material the courts decided to pierce both executive privilage and protections against grand jury information
If such evidence existed, then Mueller would not have reached his baseline conclusion that there was no evidence of collusion & coin flip on obstruction.
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#86

Nadler and Schiff can go to a SCIF Any time they want to read an unredacted copy.

Besides, didn't Schiff say he had evidence of collusion? These people are diseased.
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#87

(04-19-2019, 10:20 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 09:05 PM)jj82284 Wrote: By the way.  Anyone notice the dam Congress demanding the a.g. break the law and release grand jury testimony?

Yeah. I laughed. They must have all attended the AOC School of Legal Stuff.

In her defense she did try to apply to the Electoral College but got turned down.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#88
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2019, 12:15 PM by TJBender.)

(04-20-2019, 08:48 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(04-19-2019, 10:20 PM)TJBender Wrote: Yeah. I laughed. They must have all attended the AOC School of Legal Stuff.

In her defense she did try to apply to the Electoral College but got turned down.

AOC walked into a bar. She woke up in the hospital with a concussion.
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#89

(04-20-2019, 01:51 AM)jj82284 Wrote: In the Nixon case they had a tape of the president discussing a cover up with his chief of staff acknowledging that satellites of his were probably connected to the break in and halting an investigation for corrupt purposes.  As such upon review of such material the courts decided to pierce both executive provolone and protections against grand jury information
 If such evidence existed, then Mueller would not have reached his baseline conclusion that there was no evidence of collusion & coin flip on obstruction.

Executive provolone?  Delicious.  They have it in the deli case at Publix.
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#90

(04-20-2019, 12:15 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(04-20-2019, 08:48 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: In her defense she did try to apply to the Electoral College but got turned down.

AOC walked into a bar. She woke up in the hospital with a concussion.

Did you see AOC came out against Visas for illegals?

She heard that Discover gives a better interest rate.
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#91

Funny how the narrative has changed coming from the democrats and the media.  At first it was all about RUSSIA!  Now you hear nothing about "collusion" after the Mueller Report was released.  Instead they invite the Attorney General to "testify" before Congress, yet there were no real questions about the substance of the report, rather it was to give them a platform to smear William Barr and attempt to try to dis-credit him.  They even put on display childish antics when William Barr refused to appear before The House Judiciary Committee.  This only goes to show that the "hearing" was never serious to begin with.  Why is that?

Could it be because the Attorney General is actually doing his job and is investigating what brought this whole thing on?  The whole thing is backfiring on them and will eventually expose the fact that it was the democrats that were colluding with Russia.  Even the New York Times is publishing stories that show that President Trump wasn't lying when he said that they spied on his campaign.

Democrats are getting desperate even to the point of accusing the Attorney General of lying and calling for him to step down.


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#92

(05-03-2019, 01:08 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Funny how the narrative has changed coming from the democrats and the media.  At first it was all about RUSSIA!  Now you hear nothing about "collusion" after the Mueller Report was released.  Instead they invite the Attorney General to "testify" before Congress, yet there were no real questions about the substance of the report, rather it was to give them a platform to smear William Barr and attempt to try to dis-credit him.  They even put on display childish antics when William Barr refused to appear before The House Judiciary Committee.  This only goes to show that the "hearing" was never serious to begin with.  Why is that?

Could it be because the Attorney General is actually doing his job and is investigating what brought this whole thing on?  The whole thing is backfiring on them and will eventually expose the fact that it was the democrats that were colluding with Russia.  Even the New York Times is publishing stories that show that President Trump wasn't lying when he said that they spied on his campaign.

Democrats are getting desperate even to the point of accusing the Attorney General of lying and calling for him to step down.

They're attempting to run this clown show as an impeachment process without actually committing to it. They are removing all doubt that they have no legislative goals and are walking around aimlessly.
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#93

(05-03-2019, 01:50 PM)B2hibry Wrote:
(05-03-2019, 01:08 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Funny how the narrative has changed coming from the democrats and the media.  At first it was all about RUSSIA!  Now you hear nothing about "collusion" after the Mueller Report was released.  Instead they invite the Attorney General to "testify" before Congress, yet there were no real questions about the substance of the report, rather it was to give them a platform to smear William Barr and attempt to try to dis-credit him.  They even put on display childish antics when William Barr refused to appear before The House Judiciary Committee.  This only goes to show that the "hearing" was never serious to begin with.  Why is that?

Could it be because the Attorney General is actually doing his job and is investigating what brought this whole thing on?  The whole thing is backfiring on them and will eventually expose the fact that it was the democrats that were colluding with Russia.  Even the New York Times is publishing stories that show that President Trump wasn't lying when he said that they spied on his campaign.

Democrats are getting desperate even to the point of accusing the Attorney General of lying and calling for him to step down.

They're attempting to run this clown show as an impeachment process without actually committing to it. They are removing all doubt that they have no legislative goals and are walking around aimlessly.

Pelosi won't let it turn into an impeachment hearing unless Republicans start to sign on.

For what it's worth, I do think there's a lot of merit to the idea that Trump tried to block the investigation and shut it down through back channels on more than one occasion, and I do consider that to be obstruction. Does that automatically equal impeachment? No, but that sort of investigation is exactly why Congress has the power to hold hearings like this. If Democratic Socialists want to turn it into a partisan shitshow, hey, that's on them in 2020.
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#94

The fact of the matter is democrats are trying to dis-credit and run the Attorney General off because he is actually doing the job.  The findings coming up are going to be very damaging to a lot of the democrat swamp.


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#95

Barr is about to drain the swamp. Comey and other senior Obama officials should be checking their underwear right about now.
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#96

(05-03-2019, 02:31 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(05-03-2019, 01:50 PM)B2hibry Wrote: They're attempting to run this clown show as an impeachment process without actually committing to it. They are removing all doubt that they have no legislative goals and are walking around aimlessly.

Pelosi won't let it turn into an impeachment hearing unless Republicans start to sign on.

For what it's worth, I do think there's a lot of merit to the idea that Trump tried to block the investigation and shut it down through back channels on more than one occasion, and I do consider that to be obstruction. Does that automatically equal impeachment? No, but that sort of investigation is exactly why Congress has the power to hold hearings like this. If Democratic Socialists want to turn it into a partisan shitshow, hey, that's on them in 2020.

The only things that I have seen to back that up are inner circle Q&A's no actual obstruction.  Much like this whole collusion concept it looks to me like the democratic party is reaching yet again.  Should the democrats continue to make their entire platform about getting rid of Trump with not a single idea of how to improve this country they are doomed.  The democratic party has literally become the party of pandering.
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#97

(05-03-2019, 02:31 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(05-03-2019, 01:50 PM)B2hibry Wrote: They're attempting to run this clown show as an impeachment process without actually committing to it. They are removing all doubt that they have no legislative goals and are walking around aimlessly.

Pelosi won't let it turn into an impeachment hearing unless Republicans start to sign on.

For what it's worth, I do think there's a lot of merit to the idea that Trump tried to block the investigation and shut it down through back channels on more than one occasion, and I do consider that to be obstruction. Does that automatically equal impeachment? No, but that sort of investigation is exactly why Congress has the power to hold hearings like this. If Democratic Socialists want to turn it into a partisan shitshow, hey, that's on them in 2020.

Exercising article II powers isn't obstruction.  Maize Hirrohno in her own line of questioning yesterday admitted that rosenstein had a direct conflict of interest.  If DT held a press conference, fired comey rosenstein strzok Paige ohr McCabe Yates & baker it's not obstruction.
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#98

(05-03-2019, 04:16 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Barr is about to drain the swamp. Comey and other senior Obama officials should be checking their underwear right about now.

It's why they, along with the colluding media, are behaving the way they are.

But the problem with trying to get "out front" on something that's going to run you over, is that you're getting run over anyway.

The media as we know it shouldn't survive this, when the truth comes to light and the guilty are brought to justice.
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#99

(05-03-2019, 05:14 PM)pirkster Wrote:
(05-03-2019, 04:16 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Barr is about to drain the swamp. Comey and other senior Obama officials should be checking their underwear right about now.

It's why they, along with the colluding media, are behaving the way they are.

But the problem with trying to get "out front" on something that's going to run you over, is that you're getting run over anyway.

The media as we know it shouldn't survive this, when the truth comes to light and the guilty are brought to justice.

I hope you are right but I see this as the media rewriting the narrative and still coming out above the deceit.
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(This post was last modified: 05-08-2019, 01:05 PM by TJBender.)

Hmmmm.

If there's no collusion and no obstruction, and if the report was a total exoneration, and if putting Mueller on the stand would destroy the report once and for all by forcing him to answer questions about his agents found to be severely compromised by Democrats, why is Trump fighting so hard to stop all these things from happening?

My skepticism meter is way, way into the red. Not too long ago, I was of the mindset that a cursory look into obstruction should be carried out with everything else totally resolved and done with, but now I'm leaning strongly towards the notion that there are things in there that would be incredibly damning to Trump or his family members. He's engaged in the same sort of behavioral pattern that Nixon found himself in shortly before Howard Baker realized he was being played and the proverbial noose was fitted to Nixon's Presidency.

Call me a looney lib or launch into some off-the-handle diatribe about how covering up a crime that didn't happen is not a crime, as I'm sure some of you are already doing, but I think there's a lot more here than meets the eye. If this was a total exoneration of a report, why the efforts to make sure no one sees or asks questions about it?
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