Who are the current drafted / signed TE's and WR's on the team?  I was hoping for TE Hockenburg and a WR, but overall i think we did a good job in the draft.

Thoughts?

GO JAGS!

-Jake

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WR:

Marqise Lee

Keelan Cole

Dede Westbrook

Chris Conley

DJ Chark
TE: 
Geoff Swaim
Ben Koyack
Josh Oliver

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WR:

Marqise Lee

Keelan Cole

Dede Westbrook

Chris Conley

DJ Chark
TE: 
Geoff Swaim
Ben Koyack
Josh Oliver

There's also a 1st-year player from Chatanooga-Tennessee named CJ Board on there I never heard of.

I pretty much see Westbrook and Conley rotating as the #2 WR with Lee working mostly in the slot where he seems to have some success on his crosses and can get physical inside with his blocking. It's tough realizing Lee is costing us $9 mil this year, but the way his contract was structured there's nothing we can do but keep him at that cost. According to Jimmy Smith, he feels DJ Chark has #1 WR traits and the tall WR should develop outside where he used to play at split end.


At TE you forgot about O'Shaughnessy. There's also a first-year player from Florida Intl named Pharoah McKever I never heard of.

It looks like Swaim is going to be the guy with O'Shaug coming in as more of a receiving specialist. Koyack will probably come in more as a #2 WR when they need an extra blocker, and Oliver will pretty much backup O'Shaug until he learns to block and can threaten to start. 

 

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'02

WR:

Marqise Lee

Keelan Cole

Dede Westbrook

Chris Conley

DJ Chark
TE: 
Geoff Swaim
Ben Koyack
Josh Oliver

There's also a 1st-year player from Chatanooga-Tennessee named CJ Board on there I never heard of.

I pretty much see Westbrook and Conley rotating as the #2 WR with Lee working mostly in the slot where he seems to have some success on his crosses and can get physical inside with his blocking. It's tough realizing Lee is costing us $9 mil this year, but the way his contract was structured there's nothing we can do but keep him at that cost. According to Jimmy Smith, he feels DJ Chark has #1 WR traits and the tall WR should develop outside where he used to play at split end.


At TE you forgot about O'Shaughnessy. There's also a first-year player from Florida Intl named Pharoah McKever I never heard of.

It looks like Swaim is going to be the guy with O'Shaug coming in as more of a receiving specialist. Koyack will probably come in more as a #2 WR when they need an extra blocker, and Oliver will pretty much backup O'Shaug until he learns to block and can threaten to start. 

 

Oliver will be utilized immediately in the passing game. 

In fact, I'd wager the snap count order will rank thusly:

Oliver
Swaim
O'Shaugnessy  
Koyack (if he makes the roster)

O'Shaugnessy is valued on ST as well, and I'd wager that was a big part of him being re-signed. I don't think he figures prominently into offensive plans. He's a ST guy and a depth TE.

I'm totally cool with the TE group and the WR corps. I think they'll do well with Foles and DeFilippo.

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Their confidence in who we have at WR is pretty questionable imo. Really think we should have found a way to grab those WRs once they started falling and got a few more big bodies in than Tyre Brady, won't be surprised if we end up trading for a veteran WR between now and the trade deadline considering we have a good few day 3 picks next year, so you could lose a 4th and not worry too much about it

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Their confidence in who we have at WR is pretty questionable imo....

I'd have been quite happy about a WR addition with the 5th or 6th round picks, but I have much more confidence that the current corps will produce just fine in a new offense with a competent QB.

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Their confidence in who we have at WR is pretty questionable imo. Really think we should have found a way to grab those WRs once they started falling

Our draft instantly goes up a full letter grade for me if we take Boykin instead of Oliver and Moreau instead of Williams.

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Their confidence in who we have at WR is pretty questionable imo....

I'd have been quite happy about a WR addition with the 5th or 6th round picks, but I have much more confidence that the current corps will produce just fine in a new offense with a competent QB.

its a bottom 10 unit in the league so I was hoping they'd at least get a starting big possession WR to have some extra skillsets out there. Dede is the only one I think DCs will care about much

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Their confidence in who we have at WR is pretty questionable imo. Really think we should have found a way to grab those WRs once they started falling

Our draft instantly goes up a full letter grade for me if we take Boykin instead of Oliver and Moreau instead of Williams.

Hakeem over Quincy could have been done so easily

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I'd have been quite happy about a WR addition with the 5th or 6th round picks, but I have much more confidence that the current corps will produce just fine in a new offense with a competent QB.

its a bottom 10 unit in the league so I was hoping they'd at least get a starting big possession WR to have some extra skillsets out there. Dede is the only one I think DCs will care about much

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If you operate on the assumptions that Lee will be a non-factor and Chark won't make a step forward in development, then sure. 
I'm not assuming those things.

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There's also a 1st-year player from Chatanooga-Tennessee named CJ Board on there I never heard of.

I pretty much see Westbrook and Conley rotating as the #2 WR with Lee working mostly in the slot where he seems to have some success on his crosses and can get physical inside with his blocking. It's tough realizing Lee is costing us $9 mil this year, but the way his contract was structured there's nothing we can do but keep him at that cost. According to Jimmy Smith, he feels DJ Chark has #1 WR traits and the tall WR should develop outside where he used to play at split end.


At TE you forgot about O'Shaughnessy. There's also a first-year player from Florida Intl named Pharoah McKever I never heard of.

It looks like Swaim is going to be the guy with O'Shaug coming in as more of a receiving specialist. Koyack will probably come in more as a #2 WR when they need an extra blocker, and Oliver will pretty much backup O'Shaug until he learns to block and can threaten to start. 
 

Oliver will be utilized immediately in the passing game. 

In fact, I'd wager the snap count order will rank thusly:

Oliver
Swaim
O'Shaugnessy  
Koyack (if he makes the roster)

O'Shaugnessy is valued on ST as well, and I'd wager that was a big part of him being re-signed. I don't think he figures prominently into offensive plans. He's a ST guy and a depth TE.

I'm totally cool with the TE group and the WR corps.  I think they'll do well with Foles and DeFilippo.

I hope so, but rookie TEs usually take time to develop, and he needs a whole lot of developing on his blocking. Until he can do both, I feel like his reps will be limited.

I'll revise my TE order to...

1. Swaim
   
2. Oliver
   
3. O'Shaug
   
4. Koyack
   

I'm fairly confident Koyack makes the roster as their 4th TE.

I'm seeing 5 WRs...

1. Dede Westbrook
   
2. Chris Conley
   
3. DJ Chark
   
4. Marqise Lee
   
5. Michael Walker (PR)
   

I don't think Cole makes the roster. I'm sure they also keep a practice squad WR or two.

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'02

Hakeem over Quincy could have been done so easily

I agree. I feel like Hakeem would come in and challenge Conley and Chark for the start at the split-end spot.

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its a bottom 10 unit in the league so I was hoping they'd at least get a starting big possession WR to have some extra skillsets out there. Dede is the only one I think DCs will care about much

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If you operate on the assumptions that Lee will be a non-factor and Chark won't make a step forward in development, then sure. 
I'm not assuming those things.

Arguing that Lee will be a considerable factor in the slot with his blocking and slants, and arguing that Chark does take a step forward and gets reps at split end, I'd agree with Jack City that it's a bottom 10 unit. Take these arguments away and the Jaguars WRs are a bottom three unit. 

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'02

its a bottom 10 unit in the league so I was hoping they'd at least get a starting big possession WR to have some extra skillsets out there. Dede is the only one I think DCs will care about much

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If you operate on the assumptions that Lee will be a non-factor and Chark won't make a step forward in development, then sure. 
I'm not assuming those things.

Even if Lee plays and Chark steps forward from last year I think its a bottom 10 unit

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I think it's a mid-tier unit that's been saddled with a bad QB until now.

There's no superstar, but there should be production.

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Listening to the various post draft-pick pressers with Caldwell and DeFilippo I have a better picture where these receivers and ends will likely be lined up/utilized.

Move TE or "F" TE:
Oliver
O'Shaugnessy

Y TE:
Swaim
Koyack

X receiver:
Chark
Conley

Y receiver:
Westbrook
Cole
Lee

Z receiver:
Lee
Chark
Cole
Westbrook

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Why is everyone still complaining about passing on number of those WR. Every team passed on those guys multiple times. Maybe there is reasons for that.

Also, most WR's make their biggest jump in impact in year 2 and 3, not their rookie year. If they are trying to bring in players for biggest impact this season, they probably felt they would not beat out their current WR's this year.

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Our WR corp isn't really all that bad, tbh. They looked a lot worse than they were last year due to our offensive woes. It's true we really lack a true no. 1 threat, but I'd argue that it isn't necessary for the success of our team. I thought it was much more important when we had Bortles at the helm, as he loved tossing it up to A-Rob.

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Why is everyone still complaining about passing on number of those WR. Every team passed on those guys multiple times. Maybe there is reasons for that.

Also, most WR's make their biggest jump in impact in year 2 and 3, not their rookie year. If they are trying to bring in players for biggest impact this season, they probably felt they would not beat out their current WR's this year.

Not every team has a collection of skill players as bad as ours , most don't in fact so its more in our interest to take shots on WRs, especially when we have a dire need of a specific kind of WR.  They don't have to be world beaters, just one of the few critques you can pick out from our draft which was generally very good

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Why is everyone still complaining about passing on number of those WR. Every team passed on those guys multiple times. Maybe there is reasons for that.

Also, most WR's make their biggest jump in impact in year 2 and 3, not their rookie year. If they are trying to bring in players for biggest impact this season, they probably felt they would not beat out their current WR's this year.

Not every team has a collection of skill players as bad as ours , most don't in fact so its more in our interest to take shots on WRs, especially when we have a dire need of a specific kind of WR.  They don't have to be world beaters, just one of the few critques you can pick out from our draft which was generally very good

Hakeem Butler and/or Jazz Ferguson would've added that missing contested catch piece. Oh well. I guess they want Chark to have every opportunity to be that guy.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

Evaluation of our receivers up to this point in time is pointless. When considering who has been throwing the ball and making decisions (quarterback) the last few seasons, we really don't know what we have. Consider where they were drafted;

Marquis Lee Round 2
DJ Chark Round 2
Chris Conley Round 3
Dede Westbrook Round 4
Keelan Cole UDFA

I'm not saying that their draft position guarantees their success........but the same could be said of the guys you are proposing we should have drafted in later rounds.

Let's see what we have with a competent quarterback making decisions and throwing the ball......before we toss these guys to the curb.

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Not every team has a collection of skill players as bad as ours , most don't in fact so its more in our interest to take shots on WRs, especially when we have a dire need of a specific kind of WR.  They don't have to be world beaters, just one of the few critques you can pick out from our draft which was generally very good

Hakeem Butler and/or Jazz Ferguson would've added that missing contested catch piece. Oh well. I guess they want Chark to have every opportunity to be that guy.

This is most certainly the case:

https://twitter.com/zach_goodall/status/...13218?s=17

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