Scientist: Cow farts 'not to blame' for 'climate change'

While Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, R-N.Y., and her far-left colleagues in Congress famously have targeted “cow farts” in the radical “Green New Deal,” a professor of animal science who is an expert on air quality contends the methane emissions of cows and other livestock are not responsible for increasing global temperatures.

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You know trouble is right around the corner when your best friend tells you to hold his beer!!

I don't think this scientist was meaning to attack AOC specifically.
methane from livestock has been part of the climate change conversation for decades.
One molecule of methane traps something like 80 times more heat from the sun than one molecule of CO2.
But after 10 years of floating in Earth's atmosphere, the molecule of methane breaks down in to CO2 and water.
But the CO2 will remain for a thousand years or so.
So, in the short term, the molecule of methane should concern you greatly. In the long term, it's not a big deal as long as the overall population of cows is relatively stable.
But CO2 is a very big deal, and we need to be taking every opportunity to reduce or eliminate CO2 emissions.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

But CO2 is a very big deal, and we need to be taking every opportunity to reduce or eliminate CO2 emissions.

Smells like bull [BLEEP] to me.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Bill Nye and AOC have tainted the opinions of actual real scientist'

The left literally ruins everything they touch.

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But CO2 is a very big deal, and we need to be taking every opportunity to reduce or eliminate CO2 emissions.

Smells like bull [BLEEP] to me.

Sounds like a personal problem.
Both CO2 and methane are odorless.
Whatever you're smelling is coming from somewhere else.
Did you remember to wipe this morning?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Smells like bull [BLEEP] to me.

Sounds like a personal problem.
Both CO2 and methane are odorless.
Whatever you're smelling is coming from somewhere else.
Did you remember to wipe this morning?

I was actually referencing your post, hot and steaming.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Sounds like a personal problem.
Both CO2 and methane are odorless.
Whatever you're smelling is coming from somewhere else.
Did you remember to wipe this morning?

I was actually referencing your post, hot and steaming.

Well, I'm not the only one saying so, and there is evidence.  But you do you man!

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Sounds like a personal problem.
Both CO2 and methane are odorless.
Whatever you're smelling is coming from somewhere else.
Did you remember to wipe this morning?

I was actually referencing your post, hot and steaming.

It's too bad the ignore feature isn't smart enough to filter out responses. I see this kid is still on his power trip since single handily getting rid of the reputation feature.

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Bill Nye and AOC have tainted the opinions of actual real scientist'

The left literally ruins everything they touch.

Come on, we both know that if Donald Trump said aliens were responsible for global warming, you'd be standing in front of city hall with a "build the wall and deport them all" shirt on.

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Bill Nye and AOC have tainted the opinions of actual real scientist'

The left literally ruins everything they touch.

Come on, we both know that if Donald Trump said aliens were responsible for global warming, you'd be standing in front of city hall with a "build the wall and deport them all" shirt on.

Maybe if we said alien farts are clearly the reason for global warming the Left would be ok with enforcing immigration law.

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I was actually referencing your post, hot and steaming.

Well, I'm not the only one saying so, and there is evidence.  But you do you man!

-1, appeal to authority. 

Mikesez now stands at -32 Rep rating.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Bill Nye and AOC have tainted the opinions of actual real scientist'

The left literally ruins everything they touch.

Come on, we both know that if Donald Trump said aliens were responsible for global warming, you'd be standing in front of city hall with a "build the wall and deport them all" shirt on.

Get China and India to do their part, then we can talk about "fixing" GLOBAL warming. 

Until then, anybody who thinks the "problem" is fixable based solely on the actions of the USA are morons.

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I don't think this scientist was meaning to attack AOC specifically.
methane from livestock has been part of the climate change conversation for decades.
One molecule of methane traps something like 80 times more heat from the sun than one molecule of CO2.
But after 10 years of floating in Earth's atmosphere, the molecule of methane breaks down in to CO2 and water.
But the CO2 will remain for a thousand years or so.
So, in the short term, the molecule of methane should concern you greatly.  In the long term, it's not a big deal as long as the overall population of cows is relatively stable.  
But CO2 is a very big deal, and we need to be taking every opportunity to reduce or eliminate CO2 emissions.

Do I have to go over this again Mike?  Even for me it gets a bit boring after a while.

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From the article:

"Mitloehner, the Farmers Guardian reported, said controversial data calculations in major reports, including by the United Nations, deflect attention from fossil fuels, which he says is the big culprit."

So, if you believe this guy is correct that cow farts are not a climate change problem, do you also believe him when he says fossil fuels are the cause of global warming?

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Come on, we both know that if Donald Trump said aliens were responsible for global warming, you'd be standing in front of city hall with a "build the wall and deport them all" shirt on.

Maybe if we said alien farts are clearly the reason for global warming the Left would be ok with enforcing immigration law.

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Well, I'm not the only one saying so, and there is evidence.  But you do you man!

-1, appeal to authority. 

Mikesez now stands at -32 Rep rating.

You don't get to both participate in the debate and referee it, I'm afraid.
That said, while I didn't link you to any evidence, my post clearly indicates that I know both experts and evidence are important to the claim. If I had only referenced experts, a debate judge could call that an appeal to authority.
But you're just a donkey's rear end on a sports message board. So you can call it appeal to authority if you want!
Again, you do you.

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From the article:  

"Mitloehner, the Farmers Guardian reported, said controversial data calculations in major reports, including by the United Nations, deflect attention from fossil fuels, which he says is the big culprit."

So, if you believe this guy is correct that cow farts are not a climate change problem, do you also believe him when he says fossil fuels are the cause of global warming?

Yeah I read the article too.
thank you for pointing out the contradiction here more clearly than I did...

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

From the article:  

"Mitloehner, the Farmers Guardian reported, said controversial data calculations in major reports, including by the United Nations, deflect attention from fossil fuels, which he says is the big culprit."

So, if you believe this guy is correct that cow farts are not a climate change problem, do you also believe him when he says fossil fuels are the cause of global warming?

If cow farts are insignificant compared to fossil fuels which are also not a problem, then they have essentially zero effect.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I don't think this scientist was meaning to attack AOC specifically.
methane from livestock has been part of the climate change conversation for decades.
One molecule of methane traps something like 80 times more heat from the sun than one molecule of CO2.
But after 10 years of floating in Earth's atmosphere, the molecule of methane breaks down in to CO2 and water.
But the CO2 will remain for a thousand years or so.
So, in the short term, the molecule of methane should concern you greatly.  In the long term, it's not a big deal as long as the overall population of cows is relatively stable.  
But CO2 is a very big deal, and we need to be taking every opportunity to reduce or eliminate CO2 emissions.

Do I have to go over this again Mike?  Even for me it gets a bit boring after a while.

You know you don't have to do anything but die and pay taxes, JJ!
You get to live your life and at some point you'll die.
People, like maybe your descendants, may look back on what you said here, other and on other message boards on this subject, and based on global temperatures at those times, they may feel pride or shame. The quality of your arguments, or evidence, are not going to factor in much at that point.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

From the article:  

"Mitloehner, the Farmers Guardian reported, said controversial data calculations in major reports, including by the United Nations, deflect attention from fossil fuels, which he says is the big culprit."

So, if you believe this guy is correct that cow farts are not a climate change problem, do you also believe him when he says fossil fuels are the cause of global warming?

If cow farts are insignificant compared to fossil fuels which are also not a problem, then they have essentially zero effect.

But did the article say that fossil fuels are insignificant?
Apply the same rule you would use for a sci-fi or fantasy series. Don't jump back and forth between the rules of your world and the rules of this world.
Apply the internal logic of the world you are considering only.
in the world where people actually use small experiments to predict the heat-absorbing properties of gases in the atmosphere, CO2 from fossil fuels is a huge problem.
In the world where people avoid making any prediction until a billionaire-funded private think tank hands them some some money, or until a republican candidate for office needs some favorable press, CO2 from fossil fuels is a joke, maybe it's actually making the world healthier by making plants grow faster.
You can trust whichever group you want.
Some people trust the people who do experiments.
some people just trust whoever has the money in the slick marketing behind them.
Some people just trust whoever asks them to do the least. 
You do you.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

If cow farts are insignificant compared to fossil fuels which are also not a problem, then they have essentially zero effect.

But did the article say that fossil fuels are insignificant?
Apply the same rule you would use for a sci-fi or fantasy series. Don't jump back and forth between the rules of your world and the rules of this world.
Apply the internal logic of the world you are considering only.
in the world where people actually use small experiments to predict the heat-absorbing properties of gases in the atmosphere, CO2 from fossil fuels is a huge problem.
In the world where people avoid making any prediction until a billionaire-funded private think tank hands them some some money, or until a republican candidate for office needs some favorable press, CO2 from fossil fuels is a joke, maybe it's actually making the world healthier by making plants grow faster.
You can trust whichever group you want.
Some people trust the people who do experiments.
some people just trust whoever has the money in the slick marketing behind them.
Some people just trust whoever asks them to do the least. 
You do you.

I'm not exactly sure of your point in this rambling screed, but let me set you straight.

There is no "experiment." In theory, the doubling of CO2 concentration will result in a planetary (not laboratory) temperature increase of 1.1 kelvins. That's the temperature difference between a bedroom and living room. This is not a problem.

The temperature change for a doubling of CO2 concentration in the real world is not even theoretically possible, since there are many confounding factors. The Climastrologists (who receive much more money per year than the skeptics have since the founding of Global Warming) have chosen to claim that there is a net positive feedback from those confounding factors (mostly from more water vapor) that triples the warming. Note that this number was chosen to be the maximum possible positive feedback without a runaway warming. Common sense says that the planet doesn't do positive feedbacks. Common sense says that more water vapor creates more clouds which means more sunlight is reflected, creating a negative feedback. But common sense doesn't rake in billions of research dollars year after year.

As far as the slick marketing goes, that's completely on the side of the Climastrologists. They have the political backing of the left wing press (95% of the mainstream media) and don't need to spend a cent for the massive marketing they receive gratis. The Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming scheme is a means (with by far the strongest likelihood of success) to setting up a global socialist government. Some advocates have actually admitted that this is their goal.



You can choose to believe the Climastrology priests. But you should at least admit that you are a religious believer in this case. Their claim that sea level rise is accelerating is a verified lie. I've shown you the proof many times (NOAA.gov tide gauge data). You still choose to believe the liars.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Maybe if we said alien farts are clearly the reason for global warming the Left would be ok with enforcing immigration law.

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-1, appeal to authority. 

Mikesez now stands at -32 Rep rating.

You don't get to both participate in the debate and referee it, I'm afraid.
That said, while I didn't link you to any evidence, my post clearly indicates that I know both experts and evidence are important to the claim. If I had only referenced experts, a debate judge could call that an appeal to authority.
But you're just a donkey's rear end on a sports message board. So you can call it appeal to authority if you want!
Again, you do you.

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From the article:  

"Mitloehner, the Farmers Guardian reported, said controversial data calculations in major reports, including by the United Nations, deflect attention from fossil fuels, which he says is the big culprit."

So, if you believe this guy is correct that cow farts are not a climate change problem, do you also believe him when he says fossil fuels are the cause of global warming?

Yeah I read the article too.
thank you for pointing out the contradiction here more clearly than I did...

I can pretty much do what I like. You seem to to enjoy doing yourself, you keep [BLEEP] up these so called debates.

-1, failed attempt to be a moderator.

Mikesez now stands at -35.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

But did the article say that fossil fuels are insignificant?
Apply the same rule you would use for a sci-fi or fantasy series. Don't jump back and forth between the rules of your world and the rules of this world.
Apply the internal logic of the world you are considering only.
in the world where people actually use small experiments to predict the heat-absorbing properties of gases in the atmosphere, CO2 from fossil fuels is a huge problem.
In the world where people avoid making any prediction until a billionaire-funded private think tank hands them some some money, or until a republican candidate for office needs some favorable press, CO2 from fossil fuels is a joke, maybe it's actually making the world healthier by making plants grow faster.
You can trust whichever group you want.
Some people trust the people who do experiments.
some people just trust whoever has the money in the slick marketing behind them.
Some people just trust whoever asks them to do the least. 
You do you.

I'm not exactly sure of your point in this rambling screed, but let me set you straight.

There is no "experiment." In theory, the doubling of CO2 concentration will result in a planetary (not laboratory) temperature increase of 1.1 kelvins. That's the temperature difference between a bedroom and living room. This is not a problem.

The temperature change for a doubling of CO2 concentration in the real world is not even theoretically possible, since there are many confounding factors. The Climastrologists (who receive much more money per year than the skeptics have since the founding of Global Warming) have chosen to claim that there is a net positive feedback from those confounding factors (mostly from more water vapor) that triples the warming. Note that this number was chosen to be the maximum possible positive feedback without a runaway warming. Common sense says that the planet doesn't do positive feedbacks. Common sense says that more water vapor creates more clouds which means more sunlight is reflected, creating a negative feedback. But common sense doesn't rake in billions of research dollars year after year.

As far as the slick marketing goes, that's completely on the side of the Climastrologists. They have the political backing of the left wing press (95% of the mainstream media) and don't need to spend a cent for the massive marketing they receive gratis. The Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming scheme is a means (with by far the strongest likelihood of success) to setting up a global socialist government. Some advocates have actually admitted that this is their goal.



You can choose to believe the Climastrology priests. But you should at least admit that you are a religious believer in this case. Their claim that sea level rise is accelerating is a verified lie. I've shown you the proof many times (NOAA.gov tide gauge data). You still choose to believe the liars.

the amount of heat that CO2 absorbs rises linearly with the concentration of CO2.
The temperature of the atmosphere rises linearly with the amount of heat it absorbs.
However, the tendency of water molecules to be in vapor form (the vapor form is invisible to the human eye and absorbs solar radiation, while clouds are liquid water and reflect it) rises exponentially with increasing temperature. This means that exponentially more solar heat will be absorbed before the cloud forms. Consult an ASHRAE manual, look up the Buck equations... or, hey, don't. You do you.  The ASHRAE manuals could have been written to help design air conditioning systems, or they could be part of a vast conspiracy to help scientists topple limited governments and institute their form of communism. Next time you enjoy an air-conditioned or heated interior space, you can smugly think to yourself how much better it would work if the designers were using real math instead of conspiracy math.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.