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** The Official 2019-2020 Dem Debate Thread **

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(This post was last modified: 06-29-2019, 09:58 PM by MalabarJag.)

(06-29-2019, 09:05 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(06-29-2019, 07:44 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: The tariffs are a temporary measure. Mexico agreed to aid the US in stopping illegals before the tariffs even kicked in. China is tougher, but the tariffs hurt them a lot more than they hurt the US. Eventually China will fold and the tariffs will end. Something has to be done to stop the theft of intellectual property. If not tariffs, what is your solution? A shooting war with China?

Getting out of the Paris Accord definitely helped US citizens. Demanding Europe pay their fair share of defense helps US citizens. The corporate tax cut is a huge help to US citizens. I doubt any of the Pub candidates but Cruz would have done those three things.. Being the worlds doormat does not mean we get respect from foreign leaders, although we do get a lot more compliments if that's your thing.


And are you really claiming that your rural neighbors were selling their food to China? Call me skeptical.

Temporary measure or not, they deeply hurt American farmers. You obviously have not been around a lot of farmers to see the damage it has done to them. Any type of trade war with China is not going to work out in our favor. If you want to get anywhere, you have to be able to negotiate. Trump is not a negotiator. He's a "demander".  He wants you to give him everything he wants or he's gonna "take his ball and go home."

Corporate tax cuts only help corporations and the rich. The price of nothing has come down. The tax cuts just put more money in the hands of the rich. If you think they're gonna pass on those savings, you're delusional. 

Again, you obviously don't know how tariffs work. Farmers have to buy a lot of equipment and supplies to grow food and raise animals. Much of that stuff is made in China. When we raise tariffs on incoming merchandise from China, the farmers pay more and their overhead skyrockets. The people I know are barely breaking even.

Trump is a negotiator. He makes huge demands and settles for a reasonable win (see Mexico, or the NATO spending for obvious examples). He was a salesman before he became POTUS after all.

If you think the advantage of corporate tax cuts was to pass on the savings, you are more clueless than I thought. The US was bleeding jobs as corporations moved to lower tax countries. The tax cuts stopped the bleeding, and some are even moving back. Stopping the job loss was how the corporate tax cuts helped working Americans.


Most purchases of equipment and supplies can be delayed. Those that can't and are also Chinese, will cost more, sure. What equipment and supplies are bought from China anyway? Probably not the more expensive items. Costs vary from year to year and the tariff is a one to two year (at most) tax. Compare a 25% markup in the wholesale price to the percentage change in fuel prices from year to year just to operate a tractor. Do your farmer friends think that they'll do better under a Democrat taxing them to pay for all of the giveaways and re-instituting the Obama-era regulations?



                                                                          

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