(06-30-2019, 12:43 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(06-29-2019, 10:39 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Trump is NOT a negotiator. He is a "demander". Period.

That's not the way the tax cuts were advertised to the American public. 

No they can't. You have animals to maintain and a short planting season. When you have animals that need to be maintained and plants that need to be planted, things can't be delayed. What equipment and supplies are Chinese? Do you want an itemized list? Find a farmer and ask them yourself. There are tons of everyday items, supplies and machinery that is imported from China. We imported a total of $539.5 billion worth of goods in 2018. That's a lot of stuff. You would think farm supplies would not be high on the list of things imported from China, but they import alot. Even meat is also imported to the U.S. from China. For instance, Smithfield was bought by the Chinese and now they are the top pork producers in the U.S. importing their meat from China. Chinese products are everywhere. There is no way to avoid them. If you run any type of business, you will have to deal with buying Chinese products. Farmers are not exempt. From animal feed to seeds to fertilizer to tractor parts to virtually thousands of other things which are subject to tariffs, the prices are skyrocketing and the American farmer is paying a huge price.

As others have pointed out, Trump gets results, and they are not the same as his demands. That's negotiation. Maybe not the way you think negotiation should be done, but it works. Do you think the Obama method of giving Iran everything they wanted and then more is the proper way to negotiate? Or maybe just ignoring the Europeans' failure to reach military spending as promised in the NATO treaty is proper negotiation?

Advertisements? I didn't see any advertisements about the tax cuts. In any case, the results were necessary to enable the US working class keep their jobs, so who cares how it was advertised? Or maybe you would have preferred having (say) Chris Christie (or were you a Hillary supporter?) just keep corporate tax rates the same so that American companies would continue to flee.

And I see that you talk a lot but can't give any actual examples of what farmers need to buy from China. Tractor parts? Are your farmer friends repairing Chinese tractors? Animal feed? I doubt much animal feed (mostly corn) comes from China, but if so I'd blame Clinton, Bush and Obama for the ethanol mandates if they can't buy animal feed from the US.

Prices should be up no more than the tariffs, which are 25% of the wholesale price and not on everything. That's far from "skyrocketing." If the price has increased more than that then the importers and dealers are responsible.

I have no idea how much you make a year, but you are completely out of touch with people who live paycheck to paycheck, which makes me believe you are pretty well off $150K a year or better. I'm not going to give you an itemized list of everything farmers use that is imported from China. Do your own research. And do you honestly think an American vehicles only uses American parts? Really? If a belt breaks or fuel pump goes bad, you just don't drive back to the tractor dealer and get a new one. You go to the local hardware or tractor supply store and find the parts to fix it yourself with "off brand" parts that can do the job. Much of those parts are Chinese and a lot cheaper. It's the only way to keep the overhead low enough to make any money. And yes, tons of animal feed is imported from China. Don't believe me? Look it up. Finding any type of dog food that doesn't contain ingredients imported from China. It's nearly impossible. Purina is one of the biggest importers of Chinese ingredients. Those things are subject to tariffs which make the cost of the food go up. It's common sense. The same goes for cattle feed, hog feed, chicken feed and virtually every other food for domesticated animals. I know this, because I've done my research. When I got my dogs, I wanted buy them feed that contained no Chinese imported ingredients, because China doesn't inspect their dog foods or the things that go in it. The brands containing Chinese ingredients kept getting recalled and animals were dying. After a long, exhausting search, I finally found a really good, affordable dog food made in Texas with all American ingredients except for two things, which were imported from Canada and I believe the other is Australia. Both countries have pet food inspection standards similar to the U.S. As far as blaming Clinton, Bush and Obama for every problem in the world, that's a typical "Trumper" response.

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