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** The Official 2019-2020 Dem Debate Thread **

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(06-30-2019, 02:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(06-30-2019, 12:43 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: As others have pointed out, Trump gets results, and they are not the same as his demands. That's negotiation. Maybe not the way you think negotiation should be done, but it works. Do you think the Obama method of giving Iran everything they wanted and then more is the proper way to negotiate? Or maybe just ignoring the Europeans' failure to reach military spending as promised in the NATO treaty is proper negotiation?

Advertisements? I didn't see any advertisements about the tax cuts. In any case, the results were necessary to enable the US working class keep their jobs, so who cares how it was advertised? Or maybe you would have preferred having (say) Chris Christie (or were you a Hillary supporter?) just keep corporate tax rates the same so that American companies would continue to flee.

And I see that you talk a lot but can't give any actual examples of what farmers need to buy from China. Tractor parts? Are your farmer friends repairing Chinese tractors? Animal feed? I doubt much animal feed (mostly corn) comes from China, but if so I'd blame Clinton, Bush and Obama for the ethanol mandates if they can't buy animal feed from the US.

Prices should be up no more than the tariffs, which are 25% of the wholesale price and not on everything. That's far from "skyrocketing." If the price has increased more than that then the importers and dealers are responsible.


I have no idea how much you make a year, but you are completely out of touch with people who live paycheck to paycheck, which makes me believe you are pretty well off $150K a year or better. I'm not going to give you an itemized list of everything farmers use that is imported from China. Do your own research. And do you honestly think an American vehicles only uses American parts? Really? If a belt breaks or fuel pump goes bad, you just don't drive back to the tractor dealer and get a new one. You go to the local hardware or tractor supply store and find the parts to fix it yourself with "off brand" parts that can do the job. Much of those parts are Chinese and a lot cheaper. It's the only way to keep the overhead low enough to make any money. And yes, tons of animal feed is imported from China. Don't believe me? Look it up. Finding any type of dog food that doesn't contain ingredients imported from China. It's nearly impossible. Purina is one of the biggest importers of Chinese ingredients. Those things are subject to tariffs which make the cost of the food go up. It's common sense. The same goes for cattle feed, hog feed, chicken feed and virtually every other food for domesticated animals. I know this, because I've done my research. When I got my dogs, I wanted buy them feed that contained no Chinese imported ingredients, because China doesn't inspect their dog foods or the things that go in it. The brands containing Chinese ingredients kept getting recalled and animals were dying. After a long, exhausting search, I finally found a really good, affordable dog food made in Texas with all American ingredients except for two things, which were imported from Canada and I believe the other is Australia. Both countries have pet food inspection standards similar to the U.S. As far as blaming Clinton, Bush and Obama for every problem in the world, that's a typical "Trumper" response.

Our family income is roughly 1/4 of your guess. In spite of that we don't live paycheck to paycheck, we are just careful about not wasting money on expensive phones and fancy cars, nor live in a McMansion. So like everything else you believe, you were way off the mark. As a lower income American Trump's tax cuts were a big boon to us this year (specifically the doubling of the standard deduction).

You still never answered; what should Trump have done to stop the Chinese theft of intellectual property? Make a meaningless complaint and then ignore the lack of response? Complain to the UN so they can ignore it? Get into a shooting war with China? I think the tariff method will work with the least harm to the US. But if you have a better idea we'd all like to hear it. Did I miss some great plan to deal with that in the first debates? Maybe having the country flooded with foreigners getting free health care and college will solve the problem!

Dog food? DOG FOOD? So now your farmer neighbors are raising dogs? Do they also butcher them themselves, or just sell them to Perdue? I'm not a farmer but I know that cows, pigs, and chickens (you know, the animals farmers usually raise) eat mostly corn, and the US is a net exporter of corn which is the #1 crop in the US. And if your farmer neighbors can't afford the extra $2 for a tractor belt made in Korea then they have my sympathy. Have you asked your farmer friends why they haven't received their share of the billions in aid the US government has authorized to farmers to compensate for the tariff?

At least my blaming Clinshbama for the ethanol mandate raising feed prices, and for letting the China problem fester, has some basis in reality. Unlike you who blames everything on Trump. I guess you think he personally kidnapped all of those Guatemalan children just so he could put them into cages. Probably was the one who killed Nicole Brown Simpson too! But please, based on the first Dem debates which one would be better for the country than Trump? We all want to hear your opinion.



                                                                          

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