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** The Official 2019-2020 Dem Debate Thread **

  • Offline MalabarJag
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06-30-2019, 04:49 PM

(06-30-2019, 03:28 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(06-30-2019, 12:43 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: As others have pointed out, Trump gets results, and they are not the same as his demands. That's negotiation. Maybe not the way you think negotiation should be done, but it works. Do you think the Obama method of giving Iran everything they wanted and then more is the proper way to negotiate? Or maybe just ignoring the Europeans' failure to reach military spending as promised in the NATO treaty is proper negotiation?

Nobody knows the totality of what Iran's negotiators wanted in 2015, besides the people who were in the room.
A claim that they got everything they wanted is tantamount to a claim to know everything that they wanted, which is way beyond what any of us can say.

The rest of your post has similarly, but less obviously, wrong presumptions.

That's a pathetic argument. If Iran had asked the US to turn over all of its nuclear weapons to the Ayatollah and execute every American non-Muslim you would be technically correct. You should have learned that "technically correct" has been refuted as a reasonable argument during the Concentration Camp discussion. 

But if I need to spell it out for you (and I wasn't addressing you) let's just say that Iran got everything they could reasonably expect, and more. They got back all of the money being held, sanctions ended, the right to enrich uranium, the right to build a nuclear weapon after ten years and no inspections by the US to verify that they wouldn't be building one before that. Right there is more than any sane person would give them. Then they got an additional pallet of cash as ransom payment.



                                                                          

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RE: ** The Official 2019-2020 Dem Debate Thread ** - by MalabarJag - 06-30-2019, 04:49 PM



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