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Our Defense is a joke

Bullseye
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#170

09-13-2019, 07:00 PM

(09-13-2019, 09:09 AM)MoJagFan Wrote:
(09-12-2019, 08:03 PM)Bullseye Wrote: (Emphasis added)

Regarding the rules, I agree. They have shifted way too far towards the offense.

That said, I still disagree with the idea a top defense won't get you much anymore.

Last year, the Patriots had the 7th best defense in scoring (not far from the top 5) and won the Super Bowl.

In 2017, the Eagles, who had the 4th best defense in yards and scoring, won the Super Bowl.

In 2016, the Patriots were #1 in scoring defense and won the Super Bowl.

In 2015, the Broncos won the Super bowl with a defense that was #4 in scoring and #1 in yards.

In 2014, the Patriots won the Super bowl with the #8 scoring defense, over the team with the #1 scoring defense, Seattle.

In 2013, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl with the #1 scoring defense.

Baltimore beat the 49ers (#2 scoring defense) in the Super Bowl for the 2012 season.

In 2011, Neither the Giants nor the Patriots had top 5-10 defenses.

In 2010 Green Bay (5th in yards, 2nd in points) beat the Steelers (2nd in yards 1st in scoring) in Super Bowl XLV.

Super Bowl XLIV after the 2009 season had the Saints with the #8 defense in yards beat the Colts with the 8th ranked scoring defense in the Super Bowl

Pittsburgh had the #1 defense in yards and scoring when they beat Arizona in the Super Bowl.

So over the past ten seasons, a team in the top ten in at least one of two main categories won the Super Bowl in all but one year, with top 5 defenses winning seven of those games, with two more top 5 defenses participating in the game but losing.

The facts show having a strong defense can pay off handsomely.

Going down your list, only a few of the teams had subpar offenses. I'm not saying defense isn't important. I am saying that your chances are made difficult by the rules and one ticky tacky penalty can undue a game of great defense. Take our 2017 team and how a few bad calls impacted the game and compounded the coaches not finishing the game.

I like having a strong defense. I just wish we had a better offense. It is one game so we will see what happens this week. Thanks for the back and forth. I appreciate it.

(09-13-2019, 09:13 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(09-12-2019, 08:03 PM)Bullseye Wrote: (Emphasis added)

Regarding the rules, I agree. They have shifted way too far towards the offense.

That said, I still disagree with the idea a top defense won't get you much anymore.

Last year, the Patriots had the 7th best defense in scoring (not far from the top 5) and won the Super Bowl.

In 2017, the Eagles, who had the 4th best defense in yards and scoring, won the Super Bowl.

In 2016, the Patriots were #1 in scoring defense and won the Super Bowl.

In 2015, the Broncos won the Super bowl with a defense that was #4 in scoring and #1 in yards.

In 2014, the Patriots won the Super bowl with the #8 scoring defense, over the team with the #1 scoring defense, Seattle.

In 2013, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl with the #1 scoring defense.

Baltimore beat the 49ers (#2 scoring defense) in the Super Bowl for the 2012 season.

In 2011, Neither the Giants nor the Patriots had top 5-10 defenses.

In 2010 Green Bay (5th in yards, 2nd in points) beat the Steelers (2nd in yards 1st in scoring) in Super Bowl XLV.

Super Bowl XLIV after the 2009 season had the Saints with the #8 defense in yards beat the Colts with the 8th ranked scoring defense in the Super Bowl

Pittsburgh had the #1 defense in yards and scoring when they beat Arizona in the Super Bowl.

So over the past ten seasons, a team in the top ten in at least one of two main categories won the Super Bowl in all but one year, with top 5 defenses winning seven of those games, with two more top 5 defenses participating in the game but losing.

The facts show having a strong defense can pay off handsomely.
Let's look at all those teams for what they really are. Big Ben, Brees, Eli, Wilson, Peyton, and Brady..... Outside of the outliers of Flacco/Foles, it's about the QB. That 2016 Pats team was getting abused in the SB right up until the OC stopped being aggressive.

Defense is important. No doubt. However just looking at week 1, the Bears defense was incredible but they lost. This league is always about QBs and always will be.

To sum, having a balanced team is important.

I have zero problem with that statement.

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

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Our Defense is a joke - by Ronster - 09-08-2019, 03:52 PM

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