(09-25-2019, 03:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(09-25-2019, 03:31 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Perhaps because the whole thing was corrupt?  It happened while Joe Biden was Vice President and there is video tape of Biden bragging about doing it.  Really, do you think that Joe Biden ever had a legitimate chance to be the democrat nominee?  Is he really a "threat" in the upcoming election?

The actual bottom line is that he's getting to the bottom of the corruption of the previous administration.  You know... draining the swamp.  It has nothing to do with his campaign.

Let me ask you this.  Was what was done by the Bidens acceptable?  More specifically the then Vice President using his position pressuring a government for his own (in this case his family's) personal gain?

Mikesez told us that Uncle Joe had no personal reasons to do that, it was all about the good of the Nation, but that Trump would only do such a thing for personal reasons, not the good of the Nation. See, it's all about "who" is doing the talking whether or not it's a crime. We call that Cognitive Yoga.

I did not say any of that.
I said that "national interest" is what Joe Biden claims.  I implied the claim was plausible (it is), but then I said we need more evidence to really see why Joe wanted that prosecutor fired. 

Having read Trump's transcript and watched the video of Biden, it seems more likely that, of the two, Trump was the one using a foreign government for personal or partisan gain.  But I don't really have a complete picture. None of us posting here do, not yet.

But both things are still independently wrong.  If Biden really broke Ukrainian law, that's none of Trump's business. If Biden broke US law, Trump is supposed to have US DoJ look into that. So it's hard to explain how Trump's action was appropriate regardless of whether or not Biden was corrupt.

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