(09-25-2019, 11:27 PM)jj82284 Wrote:

(09-25-2019, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: I did not say any of that.
I said that "national interest" is what Joe Biden claims.  I implied the claim was plausible (it is), but then I said we need more evidence to really see why Joe wanted that prosecutor fired. 

Having read Trump's transcript and watched the video of Biden, it seems more likely that, of the two, Trump was the one using a foreign government for personal or partisan gain.  But I don't really have a complete picture. None of us posting here do, not yet.

But both things are still independently wrong.  If Biden really broke Ukrainian law, that's none of Trump's business. If Biden broke US law, Trump is supposed to have US DoJ look into that. So it's hard to explain how Trump's action was appropriate regardless of whether or not Biden was corrupt.

Did u or did u not read where he asked the president to coordinate with the attorney general?  Soliciting investigative cooperation from a foreign country is a diplomatic function of the chief executive.  PERIOD!

Did you or did you not read the part where he also asked the man to cooperate with his personal attorney?
What kind of president involves his personal attorney in foreign relations?!
remember that folks like the attorney general and the secretary of state have specific duties and limitations spelled out in US statutes that are hundreds of years old.
However, a personal attorney is only bound by a code of ethics to act in the interest of his client.

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