(09-27-2019, 08:28 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(09-27-2019, 08:21 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Lol. So extortion, fraud, abuse of power missallocation of billions of dollars in aid money...  that gets swept under the rug because joe biden has a d after his name.  

And its treason for Trump to use existing treaties on us ukraine legal cooperation to get to the bottom of it....  

Mikey the conservative.  Lolz

When you talk about Joe Biden's actions, all you want to discuss are the motives and results.

When you talk about Trump's actions all you want to talk about are prerogatives and powers.

Now Joe was only the vice president so he only had powers that Obama chose to defer to him. that aside the question of prerogative and power is the same between the two of them; they both had it.

for both of them, you have to look at the motives and results to see if this was an abuse of power.

In Trump's case, the motives and results clearly point to trying to knee cap a legitimate political opponent. Trump  as POTUS has no legitimate reason to care if Hunter Biden received any punishment that he may have deserved under Ukrainian law.

to the extent he's supposed to care he's supposed to want to steer American citizens away from prosecution not towards it

Lol, The President of the United States is the chief law enforcement office of the United States.  All lines of prosecutorial discretion terminate at his office.  When it comes to the pursuit of justice on an international level, he is tasked with maintaining the diplomatic relationships that facilitate legal cooperation to pursue charges he deems in the public interest.  Simply pursuing potential crimes committed by someone who doesn't share his political ideology or party doesn't rise to the level of impropriety.  If you want to establish that he acted with corrupt intent you are going to have to demonstrate that his request for an investigation wasn't properly predicated and falls well below any reasonable application of the Probable cause or Reasonable suspicion Standard.  In the case of Joe & Hunter Biden you're talking about 1.8 billion dollars in US aid, The normalization of relations with a Ukrainian Oligarch that was previously banned from entry into this country and the poster of international corruption, and the potential bribery of the Vice President of the United States in the form of illicit payments of millions of dollars to his Son and the Son of then Secretary of State John Kerry.  The assertion that those sort of allegations of public corruption fall below the national interest is absurd on its face!  If you want to talk about probable cause, Hunter Biden had no previous experience in Ukraine, the natural Gas sector, and structured his payments in a manner that can be interpreted as seeking to evade detection.  As the potential recipient of illicit payments he's a potential accomplice in high Crimes and misdemeanors on behalf of the last administration.  In the case of Biden, he has openly bragged about the fact that he pressured for the Prosecutor to be fired.  He justified this by saying that the entire world was in agreement that the prosecutor was corrupt, the memo posted by B2 casts doubt on that.  He said he didn't know that his son was under investigation.  That has been proven false.  It's been alleged that the investigations were over.  That's been proven to be false.  And after this incident the prosecutor that Biden helped appoint was responsible for facilitating the leaks of information negative to the TRUMP CAMPAIGN that eventually resulted in the incarceration of his former Campaign manager.  

Based on that fact pattern and set of allegations it is the responsibility of the chief executive to make sure that 1.8 billion dollars in US aid (Deposited in the bank owned by the former Vice Presidents son' employer) was allocated in good faith and not as a part of an illicit quid pro quo to privately enrich the former Vice President.

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(09-27-2019, 09:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(09-27-2019, 08:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: When you talk about Joe Biden's actions, all you want to discuss are the motives and results.

When you talk about Trump's actions all you want to talk about are prerogatives and powers.

Now Joe was only the vice president so he only had powers that Obama chose to defer to him. that aside the question of prerogative and power is the same between the two of them; they both had it.

for both of them, you have to look at the motives and results to see if this was an abuse of power.

In Trump's case, the motives and results clearly point to trying to knee cap a legitimate political opponent. Trump  as POTUS has no legitimate reason to care if Hunter Biden received any punishment that he may have deserved under Ukrainian law.

to the extent he's supposed to care he's supposed to want to steer American citizens away from prosecution not towards it

Holy [BLEEP]! That might be the most direct evidence of trolling or serious mental deficiency portrayed on this board ever.  Everything you said is wrong and I cannot imagine how you can breathe after such intellectual contortions.

that too

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