(09-30-2019, 02:11 PM)B2hibry Wrote:

(09-30-2019, 12:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: I am well aware that access is not merely a matter of clearance. I understand there's also the "need to know" principle.  I have a friend with top secret clearance who is some sort of expert on guidance systems for missiles. He can access pretty much anything related to gimbals and gyroscopes, but nothing that's not related to that, even if it has a lower level of clearance. The need to know question is all about job duties.

But US Congress is the institution that chartered the CIA. The members of the intelligence committee can claim "need to know" on everything.

I'm glad we agree that the phone call did not have sensitive national security content.  Given this agreement, I am not sure why you're asking all these questions about who knew what and when. The material is true and the material does not betray troop movements or spying strategies or anything of that nature. There is zero chance that Trump ever becomes acquainted with Vladimir zelinski unless he became President. The man is not a personal friend of his and no privacy was owed. as for the idea that 2 leader of free countries should be allowed to discuss things candidly without leaks to the press, that is what summits are for.  That is what anonymous subordinates are for. Also, try not to use these phone calls to conspire to have foreign governments publicly release info that is politically sensitive in our country! Try not to do the one thing your people have been out swearing up and down they would never ever do!

Appreciate the friend story but still off base. Once again, nobody has a right or access to all classified material, including Congress even if marginally related. And no, the Intelligence Committee or any other committee does not get access just because they want it. They can claim oversight all they want, but if not directly legislative related, they get squat. On that note, all the subpoenas going out right now don't mean squat. There is no legal basis. They've shot themselves in the foot by screaming impeachment and not following through on specific protocol.

What does troop movements or strategies have to do with anything in this situation? I ask the questions I did because the report was pretty in-depth and sharply formatted for a pee-on and more typical for the IG or special team. So help came from somewhere and I think most of us logical folks know where. The pieces are slowly filling that in. Not something you just put together at home or your work computer. As for your Trump gibberish, it's just that. There is no factuality to what you are spewing, just your emotions.

Personal friend, summits, anonymous subordinates, politically sensitive...WTH? You've fallen fast trying to support this BS.