(10-09-2019, 02:39 PM)ferocious Wrote: Trump withheld $250 million of said taxpayers' aid to Ukraine pending investigation into the Bidens.
BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.

(Special envoy to the ukraine already testified that at the time of the call the UKRAINIANS DID NOT KNOW that the aid was being withheld and at NO TIME did Trump mention it.  They didnt find out about it until a month later.  KEEP UP)

‘I would like you to do us a favor though’

Do me a favor is a term used in general conversation.  Thats a far cry from DO IT OR ELSE!

Moreover THEY WERE ALREADY INVESTIGATING!!!

It is the responsibility of Congress to investigate the holdup of the taxpayers' money in exchange for political favors. (Allegedly).
Though no quid pro quo is necessary, it appears as though one exists.

Now Gordon Sondland will not testify.
Which is obstruction of justice. (Allegedly).

Childish & ignorant.  The assertion of privilage isnt an obstructive act.  

Please try to understand that this is not a left vs. right thing.
What Trump is doing is Un-American. (Allegedly).

Get it?

Please understand your two major premises have no basis in fact.  You allege an extortive act that never occured based on a transaction that was not known to the potential target of said extortion at the time of the alleged act.  If the president of the ukraine didnt know that the aid was being withheld case closed period.  Part of the predicate to demonstrate extortion is that the potential target has to feel pressure. The president of Ukraine has already stated time and time again along with other high-ranking Ukrainian officials that there was no pressure brought to bear on the administration.

Second you allege that the president solicited a foreign government to basically investigate his political opponent for personal gain. It has been demonstrated that Biden had a clear conflict of insurance when he himself admitted clearly and plainly that he extorted the Ukrainian government into firing a prosecutor that he says wasn't investigating his son. Documents have already been shown to demonstrate that there was an active investigation against his son's company at the time that the prosecutor was forced to be fired. More over their documents stating that his son's legal team immediately solicited the replacement for the prosecutor that Joe Biden had fired to apologize for this smear campaign against its predecessor. That is demonstrable probable cause to believe that there was a corrupt abuse of power by the former vice president acting as the point person for all of Ukraine policy post the annexation of Crimea. Any suggestion that merely bringing this up in conference with another foreign leader to coordinate our joint anti-corruption efforts represents corrupt intent is asinine on its face.

Further proof of how devoid this narrative is, the chairman of the intelligence committee that is currently running this inquiry had to falsely read in elements of the transcript that do not exist. That in and of itself should have disqualified him from having anything to do with this inquiry if not expelled from Congress. If you were a prosecutor and he lied like that to a grand jury he would be disbarred and himself charged with obstruction of justice.

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