(10-12-2019, 06:15 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(10-12-2019, 06:03 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: Marty, the "public opinion polls" are a key part of the overall hoax.  Pelosi has admitted that impeachment is a political matter, not a criminal matter, and she knows she needs to sway public opinion to complete the process.  Of course, the numbers for impeachment started climbing right on cue.  It helps when you have fake media and fake polls on your side.  By the time the articles of bogus impeachment are released, the polls will reveal a massive sea change.  This will also provide political cover for the Never-Trumpers in the Republican Party, who have kept their shivs well-concealed while the tide was against them.

Okay, is Fox News now part of the "fake media?"  Because it was a Fox News poll that showed support for impeachment climbing.

Then why won't the democrats take a vote on it?  They want their cake and eat it too.  They have had a week of full saturation bombing buy the legacy media about an "impeachment inquiry", whistleblowers etc. meanwhile they are making a calculation for the election they know is coming in 2020 (Trump vs. whomever).  This also gives them the added bonus of hiding everything in the intelligence committee behind closed doors to give them full control of the narrative.  The learned a lot from the Mueller hearings.  Actually allowing the American people to see the witness shrink under opposition questioning is pretty inconvenient.  So Now you have Adam Schiff able to selectively leak whatever parts of testimony he feels are relevant and bury the rest of it. 

As for facts coming out, which facts are you coming at.  I think that the republicans are making a mistake by not repeating the term "oligarch" and "billion dollars" every time that they get to the microphone, but it's only been seven days since the whole thing started and they will eventually get around to a more offensive narrative.  

The President said it last night and I agree.  He completely deflated the sails of any legitimate impeachment threat when he released the actual text of the call.  As time progresses more and more people are going to realize that the media spends more time telling them about interpretations and theories than what the president actually said.  Moreover, the entirety of the countries involvement in Ukraine under Obama and Bidens actual legacy of enriching his family members is going to overtake the entire narrative.  

As for the polling, in the fox news poll that you talk about, the internal breakdown was about 48% Democrat 40% republican.  That's the makeup of the people that you ask the question to.  IT's no surprise that you get a number around 50 which as ive said, mirrors the presidents daily tracking disapproval number.  To acutally remove a president you would need to see an utter collapse of support in their own party and Trump is still @ record highs in republican approval.  

Another thing to consider is that over time impeachments become less popular.  Numbers were red hot for the republicans in 98 when the blue dress came out, the release of the star report etc.  But when push came to shove people valued their jobs more than the presidents sex life and I think that this time the American people will value their jobs more than Hunter Biden's.  You also had more liberal democrats who weren't huge fans of the Clintons rally to their defense.  Glenn Beck was a major leader in conservative defections, but he's leading the way on social media exposing the truth about the Ukrainian Obama Scandal, the role the DNC had, the relationship to crowd strike and the rest of it.  Unless they can show a truly seditious act on behalf of the president, which there is no evidence fore, I think that they are going to be facing a more galvanized republican wave than they did in 16.  

Also, quietly, bidens unfavorable are a lot more congruent with Clinton's than the left wants to admit and the Social Media Tech giants they are relying on the build a firewall against the conservative narrative is already making plans to go to war with Elizabeth Warren.  In truth, this is much more an act of desperation than strength.

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