(10-29-2019, 01:07 PM)Gabe Wrote:

(10-29-2019, 12:36 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Your "simple question" sidesteps the point I made, which is that u dont need testimony from people giving "interpretations" or "concerns" about what was said when u have 1.) Transcript of the call 2.) The alleged target of as n extortive act says there was no pressure applied.  3.) Evidence to support reasonable suspicion.

See how easy that was? And believe it or not, I really did ask because I wanted to know if you honestly considered Vindman as a never-trumper or resistance operative. I asked because the left seems to tout him as a key witness. In reaction, the right seems to be discrediting him and his loyalty to his country. That isn't a side-step. 

Perhaps that's just me wanting to hear more from everyone involved. I believe it's understandable to want transparency in an impeachment - to hear questions and answers about this entire thing in an open-to-the-public setting, especially considering that we only have leaked opening statements and yes, a TELCON memorandum (based on notes of NSC and Situation Room staff) of the call. If it's truly pearl clutching as you believe, then I'd like to see/hear it firsthand. I said it before, in response to you directly: I look at any impeachment as ultimately a lose-lose situation. 

Furthermore, I'd argue that the investigation, which is what this or any impeachment is at its core, is about more than just the call - hence the continued testimony during the initial stages - an attempt to discover evidence, if it exists, to support reasonable suspicion. This means interviews/testimonies/etc. surrounding the entire Ukraine situation, not just the call. 

At the end of the day, the house will likely vote to impeach, the senate will likely vote not to remove.

Doesn't the left tout every witness as the "key" witness right up until they testify? Then for some reason the witness disappears into the the fog of memory once the testimony turns out to be nothing.

And I for one am begging the left to please impeach Trump. Please do it immediately so we can get all this closed door crap out into the public square and decide for ourselves if what they are saying is true. Because your last statement forgot the 3rd clause, that once the House impeaches (what we've known they would do from the moment they to the majority back), and once the Senate is done exonerating Trump (as the impeachment will have no basis in fact or reality), then Trump gets reelected in a landslide and the Pubs take back the House. And we get to enjoy the great [BLEEP] ening of the left.

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