(10-29-2019, 01:07 PM)Gabe Wrote:

(10-29-2019, 12:36 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Your "simple question" sidesteps the point I made, which is that u dont need testimony from people giving "interpretations" or "concerns" about what was said when u have 1.) Transcript of the call 2.) The alleged target of as n extortive act says there was no pressure applied.  3.) Evidence to support reasonable suspicion.

See how easy that was? And believe it or not, I really did ask because I wanted to know if you honestly considered Vindman as a never-trumper or resistance operative. I asked because the left seems to tout him as a key witness. In reaction, the right seems to be discrediting him and his loyalty to his country. That isn't a side-step. 

Perhaps that's just me wanting to hear more from everyone involved. I believe it's understandable to want transparency in an impeachment - to hear questions and answers about this entire thing in an open-to-the-public setting, especially considering that we only have leaked opening statements and yes, a TELCON memorandum (based on notes of NSC and Situation Room staff) of the call. If it's truly pearl clutching as you believe, then I'd like to see/hear it firsthand. I said it before, in response to you directly: I look at any impeachment as ultimately a lose-lose situation. 

Furthermore, I'd argue that the investigation, which is what this or any impeachment is at its core, is about more than just the call - hence the continued testimony during the initial stages - an attempt to discover evidence, if it exists, to support reasonable suspicion. This means interviews/testimonies/etc. surrounding the entire Ukraine situation, not just the call. 

At the end of the day, the house will likely vote to impeach, the senate will likely vote not to remove.

Quote:“I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine,” Colonel Vindman said in his statement. “I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.”

(10-29-2019, 02:10 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(10-28-2019, 06:35 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Pelosi folding....

Senator Lindsey Graham is forcing Pelosi to hold a vote for formal impeachment proceedings.  He introduced a resolution co-sponsored by at least 39 other Senators (in one article that I read it said 50).  Some kind of "formal announcement" is supposed to come out today.

Enough of the "closed door kangaroo court" bull [BLEEP].  Let's bring this out in the open and allow due process.