(11-09-2019, 11:06 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(11-09-2019, 03:13 AM)jj82284 Wrote: Let's start again.  Rudy Giuliani's involvement investigating Ukrainian efforts against POTUS started towards the end of the Mueller investigation.  Why?  Because Ukrain played an expansive role in the origins of the probe, and members of their parliament leaked information about Trump's campaign manager that eventually lead to him being placed under investigation and later imprisoned.   

As for the probe being "over" the probe did immeasurable harm to the president, his family, close associates, and his overall brand.  Continuing to pursue its origins and clear highs clients name in the eye of the public is an appropriate function of private council.   

Moreover, he and the president have a responsibility to share evidence of and root out corruption in dealings with an allie, especially those that deal with billions of dollars in tax payer money.   We now know from witness testimony that even elements in the Obama administration had to block certain projects dealing with burisma because the oligarch was under suspicion of misappropriating funds.  We lost some seven billion dollars in aid money in Ukraine.   

In short, cultivating evidence of a crime and asking that if be investigated is not an illicit act.

You keep missing what I'm throwing down.
Everyone has a right to privately investigate whatever they feel like investigating, I agree.
But no one has the right to involve US prosecutors or US foreign policy or offers of face time with the US president in that, unless the US national interest is also at stake.

 
It's not hard to miss what you're throwing down, the smell of feces is overwhelming. That you don't see the admitted extortion of a foreign country by a previous administration for personal benefit, a member of that administration who is attempting to regain power being the central guilty party, and the same country at the center of foreign and domestic election interference, as a "national interest" perfectly underscores how much your hate for Trump clouds your self proclaimed critical thinking prowess. It also perfectly aligns you with the Democrat mainstream, exactly where we've known you've been from Day 1.

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(11-09-2019, 11:13 AM)jj82284 Wrote:

(11-09-2019, 11:06 AM)mikesez Wrote: You keep missing what I'm throwing down.
Everyone has a right to privately investigate whatever they feel like investigating, I agree.
But no one has the right to involve US prosecutors or US foreign policy or offers of face time with the US president in that, unless the US national interest is also at stake.
Ukraine was going through a change of administration.
Let me explain how that typically works.
When Bush 43 replaced Clinton, he did not pursue any charges of perjury or espionage against Clinton and his associates, although he could have.
When Obama replaced Bush, he did not pursue any charges of war crimes or banking fraud against Bush and his associates and donors, although he could have.
a new administration is supposed to be looking forward, not backwards at the mistakes of the previous administration. And this is about more than just good feelings. This is one of the many unwritten norms that we have that helps us keep having peaceful transfers of power every 4 years. A president who feels like he might end up in jail if he ever loses power is a guy who doesn't give up power peacefully.
Trump was demanding that Ukraine's new administration look backwards, not just to their immediate predecessor but to the guy before that.

1.) Unwritten norms is not a criminal statute.
2.) Clinton reached a deal on his misconduct and did face consequences.
3.) Obama & Ukraine fabricated the russia investigation against potus.
4.) What part of billions of dollars lost and election interference are u missing?

Waste of time JJ, he's a Democratic house organ, nothing more.

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