(11-13-2019, 09:51 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(11-13-2019, 06:21 PM)jj82284 Wrote: There u go again...

 Alleged obstruction of justice.  Any potential crime or corrupt act by an Americam citizen in public office meets the definition of the national interest.  There is no such requirement that it must be part of a broader or general investigative package. The only question is whether the request or suspicion is properly predicated.

The president cannot simply start investigations.
He appoints prosecutors.
The prosecutors look at facts and form reasonable suspicion that crimes or corrupt acts may have taken place. Then they start issuing subpoenas and warrants. If the person or thing was in another country, at that point and only at that point would it be appropriate to approach their counterparts in that country to obtain that information.
All that said, the witnesses we have heard from so far have indicated that Biden wanted Ukraine's prosecutor fired because that prosecutor was being too soft on Burisma's founder. Not that he was being too tough. If that's true it would be a case of promoting justice not obstructing it. If probable cause exists that Biden was actually trying to stymie a prosecution, the Republicans should be able to find a willing witness with credible knowledge of this.

Yes, The PRESIDENT appoints The attorney general and every principal officer at the department of justice.  That's because, as a unitary executive, he is the head of the entire executive branch, including the department of justice.  The President most certainly has the power to order any investigation that he deems in the national interest, with proper evidence, and the full prosecutorial discretion to discontinue any investigation he sees fit, and universal pardon authority for federal prosecution.  Your continued insistence that the president is an inferior entity to the AG is childish.

As the sole arbiter of Foreign policy the president takes on the diplomatic role of facilitating cooperation with other countries.  The AG doesn't usurp the president and just get on the phone with a foreign counterpart.  Those meetings and interactions are facilitated as a diplomatic function of the executive.  

As for "Not being tough enough" The cover story Biden has been using for 3 years is that the investigation into his son's business was closed before the prosecutor was fired.  We now know that to be a lie.  In February Shokin filed motions in court to advance the investigation into Burisma, 3 weeks before he was fired the home of the owner was raided and hunter Biden was schedueled to testify.  We also have documents showing that the day after Shokin was fired lawyers from Burisma a.) apologized for the LIES that were told about Shokin and b.) wanted to arrange a meeting with the new prosecutor Lutsenko to smooth things over and work on the dismissal of cases pending against Burisma.  What you and your ilk would have us believe is that Lunch pale Joe was sitting in bed every night so concerned about corruption at Burisma that he let his son and his sons college roommate go to work for them (paid a reported 6 million dollars), deposit over a billion dollars in a bank owned by the founder, normalize the founder and allow him a Visa to return to the United States, and Fire the prosecutor that just raided the founders home....  Son of a …..

As for the Republican being able to produce witnesses, the State Department IG already disclosed the informal Dossier that was prepared by Giuliani with sworn testimony from Shokin and Lutsenko about the true reasons that the prosecutor was fired along with accompanying documents and court filings to debunk the idea that the investigation was idle at the time he was fired.  Why haven't you heard about it at these proceedings?  Because Adam Shift specifically forbid any investigation as to the actual validity of the two probes the president requested!

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