(11-23-2019, 10:37 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(11-23-2019, 05:17 PM)mikesez Wrote: Suppose you work for SeaWorld, and you turn in some drawings for a new expansion to the building department. Suppose they help you fill out all the forms, and get you an appointment for a phone call with the city's engineer. When you meet with the city's engineer, he doesn't ask you anything about what's on your drawings. All he wants to talk about is if you're going to give his family some annual passes. Is that bribery?
What if he doesn't look at your drawings for a couple of months? Is that bribery?
Eventually, after he looks at the drawings of people who applied after you, he issues a permit your drawings without comment. Is everything forgiven now?

This makes absolutely no sense. It's a poor analogy, and in any case there is no "bribery" in your narrative.

maybe it would help you see the analogy if I added that the guy in charge of the building department is a Democratic party activist, while the contracting firm you work for is led by a candidate for office with the Republican Party?

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(11-23-2019, 08:23 PM)jj82284 Wrote:

(09-24-2019, 12:22 PM)mikesez Wrote: Here's the part that no one disputes.
Donald Trump pressured the President of the Ukraine to open an investigation into Hunter Biden.
He did not do this in the interest of shareholders in the Ukrainian company, or ordinary Ukrainian citizens, or ordinary American citizens. He only did this to hurt a political rival.

Yeh a lot of people including the president of ukraine, and their entire diplomatic core dispute that.

If there was probable cause that Hunter Biden had violated US code, our DOJ would be investigating, and it would be appropriate for our people to reach out to the Ukrainians and get them to share evidence.

The president is the head of both the DOJ and foreign policy.  He determines probable cause, and he coordinates cooperation between executive department officials and their foreign counterparts.

Similarly, if a Ukrainian prosecutor was trying to investigate him, it may be appropriate for us to share evidence that we have access to.

It is wrong to try to get another country's prosecutor fired just to protect one's own children.

Thank u for disproving your own argument.

It is also wrong to try to force another country's prosecutors to investigate something that is more a matter of US politics than world trade or human rights.

7 billion dollars in aid money missing.  

Both of these things are equally wrong. And they're independently wrong. That is, the first cannot justify the second, nor can the second justify the first.

Lolz.  That made me spit out my coffee.  The ethicacy and legality of the first incident is directly correlated to both the probable cause and national interest of requesting an investigation about said incident.  

#ishouldbecharging4this

Republicans were in charge of both the Senate and the House when VP Biden did what he did.  No investigation.  No comment.  Why not? How is this probable cause that is so obvious to you today not obvious last year? Or the year before, or the year before?

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