(12-17-2019, 06:14 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(12-17-2019, 02:59 PM)pirkster Wrote: Let's stop clowning ourselves.  The truth is out, and the President was not proven to have done a single thing impeachable.  Not unexpected, given the facts we had both before and after the shampeachment effort.

It's over.  The voters will not forget, and the left keeps digging it's own political grave deeper and deeper by the minute.

Intellectually honest folks would self reflect and self improve at this stage.  A lot of good, smart people have been fooled.  All that anger is misdirected at the President they hate, but would be better served directed at the politicians and media who took them for fools.

You first. You might as well be wearing a rubber nose from what I see.

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(12-17-2019, 04:05 PM)copycat Wrote: We have the actual transcript of the call.  No here say, no speculation, no conjecture and especially no feelings!

1) It's not a transcript. 
2) he didn't want us to have it.
3) what Trump said on the call that day is not the only things that were said by his people to the leadership of Ukraine
4) it shows that Trump doesn't believe his own intelligence agencies about who hacked the DNC and why
5) it shows a particular obsession with Joe Biden applied to foreign relations.
6) it does not show any generalized concern for corruption in Ukraine.

So yeah I looked at it.
I see probable cause to start an investigation just in that document by itself.