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#41

(09-18-2019, 11:58 AM)p_rushing Wrote:
(09-18-2019, 11:21 AM)rfc17 Wrote: Looks like he was following the guard that was pulling.  Play may have been going to the right and he got flustered.  But amazing he didnt see the gaping hole to his left.

He has been coached to follow the play design. Unfortunately he is unable to process information quickly with his eyes. He cannot see the hole so when the OG doesn't go all the way into the hole, he freezes.

On the 2pt try, there was a huge hole to the right between the TE and RT and he goes left of the C right into the back of the OL. There was a hole there, but he was once again too slow to get to the hole.

^-- I think the above was stated verbatim when discussing Trent Richardson, too.
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#42
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2019, 04:42 PM by p_rushing.)

(09-18-2019, 04:29 PM)Mikey Wrote:
(09-18-2019, 11:58 AM)p_rushing Wrote: He has been coached to follow the play design. Unfortunately he is unable to process information quickly with his eyes. He cannot see the hole so when the OG doesn't go all the way into the hole, he freezes.

On the 2pt try, there was a huge hole to the right between the TE and RT and he goes left of the C right into the back of the OL. There was a hole there, but he was once again too slow to get to the hole.

^-- I think the above was stated verbatim when discussing Trent Richardson, too.
You can definitely see it because he doesn't do the stupid spin move any more. That spin move caused him to miss holes, but now he is just missing holes. There is a reason to coach a RB to stay with the play, because they have no vision or try to hit a HR every run.

LF has both problems.

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#43

(09-18-2019, 04:13 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: Ya'll are mis-reading that. This is issue is the Fournette overthought that the hole, not that he didn't see it. Still really bad, though.

He is juking the backfield trying to get the middle LB to commit, instead of just hitting that hole that was probably not the initial play design. By the time he has "juked" and realized he didn't force the LB to commit, though he lost his advantage and moved too far upfield, so he has no space to avoid the other LB and his pulling lineman making a secondary block.

He should either just hit that hole full out, assuming he will a) break the tackle or b) out run the LB; or stay back moving lateral to the line with more patience to let the pulling lineman finish his block and try to break the tackle of the safety/secondary guy off to the side.

Yes I would agree with you. The freeze frame looks bad but the LB is unblocked and clearly mirroring Fournette.
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#44

(09-18-2019, 01:51 PM)knarnn Wrote:
(09-18-2019, 01:25 PM)BritJag Wrote: So why not make a concerted effort to give these guys some carries? If you purport to be a ball control, 'run first' O, shouldn't you use several backs to attain that feat, and for change of pace/varying running styles purposes, to test Ds?  That's how the top rush O was accomplished in 2017; with Yeldon and Grant chipping in, even when a better-playing Fournette missed several games.

KC game, I get.  It ran away from them; had to play catch up.  Texans game was a defensive stale mate from the onset.  Utilize the other backs since LF was getting stoned.  

Deviating further, the Texans were geared to stop the run anyway, while their backfield appeared vulnerable.  Throw a bit more in that instance, nickel and dime em, loosen things up front, then go over the top here and there.  Could have potentially netted more points faster than in the last two desperation drives when they did just that.  Even in that 2 point conversion, I was convinced that a small roll out and toss to your perimeter guys away from the mass of humanity in the middle could have resulted in a walk in score.  Ah well, moving on.  They are going to win tomorrow, rather tidily I may add, and with conviction.  Go Jags.

That’s a great question. I have no clue why they feel Fournette needs 100% of the carries.
Still trying to justify the pick
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#45

"Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.


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#46

(09-18-2019, 04:54 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: "Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.

That is why NFL players are special. They should see the hole. If they miss it they get slammed with negative comments.
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#47

(09-18-2019, 04:54 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: "Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.

95%+ of RB in the league see that hole.
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#48

(09-18-2019, 05:12 PM)Upper Wrote:
(09-18-2019, 04:54 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: "Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.

95%+ of RB in the league see that hole.

I would wager probably not.  We can see it on "game tape", especially if slowed down after the fact.  When it happens in real-time speed ON THE FIELD it doesn't happen that way.  When you have much taller and bigger guys in front of you, it's impossible to see beyond that.  If the play is designed to go to a certain hole, that's where it's going.  The "madden playing" armchair coaches will say differently, but think about reality.


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#49

(09-18-2019, 06:19 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(09-18-2019, 05:12 PM)Upper Wrote: 95%+ of RB in the league see that hole.

I would wager probably not.  We can see it on "game tape", especially if slowed down after the fact.  When it happens in real-time speed ON THE FIELD it doesn't happen that way.  When you have much taller and bigger guys in front of you, it's impossible to see beyond that.  If the play is designed to go to a certain hole, that's where it's going.  The "madden playing" armchair coaches will say differently, but think about reality.

When coaches look at that film, do you think that's what they're thinking or saying?  Do you think LF is?  It didn't look like there was anyone there to obscure his view on that particular play.
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#50

(09-18-2019, 04:54 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: "Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.

A professional NFL RB needs to see that hole. He needs to also be able to make something out of nothing.

Fournette has been great at making nothing out of something which is a reason I don’t think he’s going to be with this team in 2020.

He’s just a very below average player.
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#51

(09-18-2019, 04:54 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: "Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.

What film do the coaches use? Or, the previous players turned media, commentators ... etc?

Even some of the best evaluators get it wrong, not just the fans.
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#52

(09-18-2019, 09:52 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: It boggles the mind the decisions he makes in the backfield.
He found some creases in the KC game 4 or 5 times, and then the following week, this stuff  ^

I hope Flip gets away from his persistence with Fournette soon and starts to work in the other backs. We're not going to get any consistency from a back that can't see wide open running lanes 1/2 the time.

Don't expect much to change any time soon...

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...8610062336
https://twitter.com/JaguarMavenSI/status...7481142277
https://twitter.com/JaguarMavenSI/status...9720843265
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#53

(09-18-2019, 04:54 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: "Fans" or other people like to evaluate what a player does or doesn't do looking at television footage.  Put yourself down on the field and go at real-time speed and see what you see from his vantage point.  Opinions might be different then.  Yes the hole was "there", but that's not necessarily what the player sees on the field.

That's not how that play is designed to be read by the RB
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#54
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2019, 08:08 PM by Tyler1Reformed.)

It's like people are just realizing he sucks. Lol. You can take away the injury concerns and the bad attitude and thuggishness at times and he's just a God awful RB. Yeldon and Grant are better than him and unfortunately he's the one that's still on the roster.

(09-18-2019, 08:03 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(09-18-2019, 09:52 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: It boggles the mind the decisions he makes in the backfield.
He found some creases in the KC game 4 or 5 times, and then the following week, this stuff  ^

I hope Flip gets away from his persistence with Fournette soon and starts to work in the other backs. We're not going to get any consistency from a back that can't see wide open running lanes 1/2 the time.

Don't expect much to change any time soon...

https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...8610062336
https://twitter.com/JaguarMavenSI/status...7481142277
https://twitter.com/JaguarMavenSI/status...9720843265

Nothing seems to change no matter who is the coaching staff. So basically our OC is an idiot.
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#55

Fournette hasn't had any field vision/field sense since day 1 and he isn't going to magically get it now.
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#56

Can't we just glue a mirror to one side of his head?
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#57

Plenty of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. I guess the coaches are looking to get fired if keep feeding the ball to a sightless rb.
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#58

I frequently posted that quote from a scout predraft about how Fournette needed to play with a fullback at LSU not because he needed the extra blocking, but because he needed someone to show him where the hole was.

Nothing has changed.
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#59

He ran right into the wall

Maybe he forgot he had the rock, and thought he was supposed to be blocking
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#60

Career average of 3.7ypc. Ugly
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