You cannot allow a player to fire a front office person.  Ever.

But if multiple veteran starters are unhappy with the front office person, you can wait until the end of the season then fire that front office person. If it's just Ramsey vs. Coughlin, Ramsey's your problem. If it's Coughlin vs. several team leaders, then your problem is probably Coughlin. IIRC, there were reports on Twitter as far back as the beginning of training camp that many of the players didn't care for the current regime, particularly Coughlin.

Well, if it's reported on Twitter, he definitely has to go.  Haha.  

No, you cannot let the players fire the management.  Ever.

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He may not be able to practice (if he’s legitimately sick), but he can still show up for work. Especially since he works in a place that has, you know, health-care workers and medications immediately available.
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For many in the league, faking an illness or an injury amounts to crossing a line that can never be uncrossed. It speaks, many would say, to the heart and the character of a football player. This reality makes it even more important — if Ramsey is truly sick — that he does everyhing he can to show up at the facility to let the Jaguars confirm for themselves that he truly has some sort of an illness that would keep him from practicing, because of the strangely coincidental nature of the situation.

Ramsey needs to know how this looks, if he’s truly sick. And he needs to care enough about how it looks to make sure that no one thinks he’s faking an illness. Leaking that he’s “actually legit sick” to someone in an industry that thrives on information and access is not the way to create the impression that he’s not faking it.

Rarely do I agree with Florio, but he is spot on here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-he-wants/

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

He may not be able to practice (if he’s legitimately sick), but he can still show up for work. Especially since he works in a place that has, you know, health-care workers and medications immediately available.
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For many in the league, faking an illness or an injury amounts to crossing a line that can never be uncrossed. It speaks, many would say, to the heart and the character of a football player. This reality makes it even more important — if Ramsey is truly sick — that he does everyhing he can to show up at the facility to let the Jaguars confirm for themselves that he truly has some sort of an illness that would keep him from practicing, because of the strangely coincidental nature of the situation.

Ramsey needs to know how this looks, if he’s truly sick. And he needs to care enough about how it looks to make sure that no one thinks he’s faking an illness. Leaking that he’s “actually legit sick” to someone in an industry that thrives on information and access is not the way to create the impression that he’s not faking it.

Rarely do I agree with Florio, but he is spot on here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-he-wants/

He thinks he can get away with it, and some on here seem perfectly fine if he does.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Rarely do I agree with Florio, but he is spot on here.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-he-wants/

He thinks he can get away with it, and some on here seem perfectly fine if he does.

But he's our best player, he should be able to do whatever he wants to do.

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He thinks he can get away with it, and some on here seem perfectly fine if he does.

But he's our best player, he should be able to do whatever he wants to do.

At this point I'm totally good with waiting till the trade deadline (or close to it) for a legit offer to come along that includes a first round pick prior to #15.  

If he doesn't play in the meantime, so be it.  I think he will want to play against the saints in a couple weeks though. He can't have anyone tweeting that he's scared of Michael Thomas. That would drive him nuts.

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But he's our best player, he should be able to do whatever he wants to do.

At this point I'm totally good with waiting till the trade deadline (or close to it) for a legit offer to come along that includes a first round pick prior to #15.  

If he doesn't play in the meantime, so be it.  I think he will want to play against the saints in a couple weeks though. He can't have anyone tweeting that he's scared of Michael Thomas. That would drive him nuts.

Problem with this is that it's probably going to be a contender that would want to trade at that point and who has a pick that high?  I honestly don't know.

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At this point I'm totally good with waiting till the trade deadline (or close to it) for a legit offer to come along that includes a first round pick prior to #15.  

If he doesn't play in the meantime, so be it.  I think he will want to play against the saints in a couple weeks though. He can't have anyone tweeting that he's scared of Michael Thomas. That would drive him nuts.

Problem with this is that it's probably going to be a contender that would want to trade at that point and who has a pick that high?  I honestly don't know.

Yeah, I don't think there is a probable contender out there holding that type of first round pick. 
They'd have to offer a quality player with several years left in addition to their late-ish first rounder and another pick. 
Tough call on that type of offer, but it depends on the player coming our way I guess. 

Maybe the eagles (who need secondary help badly) would part with Goedert - or Corey Clement now that they have Sanders and Howard at RB.  Is one of those guys plus seemingly late-ish first and second round picks enough? 

Hard to say.

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I think regardless of what happens, we need to trade Ramsey and fire Coughlin. Getting rid of one and not the other is just going to cause more problems. I'm sure there are players that agree with Ramsey that Coughlin is a problem. The last thing we need is more players to start causing more drama. Firing Coughlin and keeping Ramsey makes it seem like the players can run the organisation. That's just asking for more and more issues to happen.

Getting rid of both now gives time to address any disgruntled players that arise from Ramsey being traded. I would much rather get some kind of compensation out of them now rather than deal with the BS later.

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In Dougie I Trust!

Is Ramsey deleting tweets? Or is it just me?

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Is Ramsey deleting tweets? Or is it just me?

Yep.

His agent is playing the clean up game.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

It’s probably pointless trying to read anything into Jalen’s tweets, but let’s do it anyway!

Any guesses what his latest “peep everything” means?

https://twitter.com/jalenramsey/status/1...40837?s=21

I think its meme meaning basically "Seeing everything". As in 'I see everything, even what you may not want me to see or think I'm missing'.

There is a second part of it that sometimes added "even if I don't respond to everything".

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But if multiple veteran starters are unhappy with the front office person, you can wait until the end of the season then fire that front office person. If it's just Ramsey vs. Coughlin, Ramsey's your problem. If it's Coughlin vs. several team leaders, then your problem is probably Coughlin. IIRC, there were reports on Twitter as far back as the beginning of training camp that many of the players didn't care for the current regime, particularly Coughlin.

Well, if it's reported on Twitter, he definitely has to go.  Haha.  

No, you cannot let the players fire the management.  Ever.

Reputable Twitters, not Alfie lol. People who are in position to know. Might have shown up on PFT as well.

If Coughlin really is coming into the locker room and chewing players out, it wouldn't really be players firing management. It would be management creating problems by overreaching. Coughlin's an old coach, I get it, but it's Marrone's job to chew guys out in the locker room after a game. There's an old saying: if you have a problem with one person, it's them. If you have a problem with lots of people, it's you.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The "distraction" continues ....I'm inclined to favor get rid of both Jalen AND Tom
and let's get to some football instead of drama

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"Stay tight, stay close. Great things are going to continue to happen for this football team."  - Doug Peterson

He's just still wanting to be the center of attention....TBH, he and most of the NFL players should leave social media alone.
Sadly, it probably won't happen.

TBH... everyone should leave social media alone. No ones life or thoughts should be on display 24/7

It's a cesspool of the worst of the worst of the worst.
Fake news, political rhetoric, instaporno, all of the worst people a click away lol

It was like beating a drug addiction getting rid of my social accounts.......... now if I could find Jaguar fans close to me I'd probably rid myself of this MB too

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The "distraction" continues ....I'm inclined to favor get rid of both Jalen AND Tom
and let's get to some football instead of drama

If they play like they did on Thursday, I hope the distraction does continue.

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This sounds a lot like the rhetoric from the first time the Jags ran TC out of town. He goes to NYC and wins two superbowls... It was the biggest mistake the Jaguars have ever made. How about we learn from the past and keep TC? Let the talented narcissistic player go and move forward with a team that wants to win together.

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Is this really that distracting? Seems a touch of overblown wrist wringing to me....you know, the type that led to absolutely nothing last week.

HE SICK NOW? ZOMG TRADE HIM HE FAKIN IT ALL ABOUT HIM

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

This sounds a lot like the rhetoric from the first time the Jags ran TC out of town.  He goes to NYC and wins two superbowls...  It was the biggest mistake the Jaguars have ever made.  How about we learn from the past and keep TC?  Let the talented narcissistic player go and move forward with a team that wants to win together.

That is what I have been thinking... some players are so good they can transcend some discipline issues. Ramsey, might be that type of player, but discipline issues in the locker room spreads. The rest of the players? Well...we have seen so far how that gets out of hand. Look at the penalties and on the field behavior last year and this year. We all have seen the threads about Marrone losing the team. Now a lot of us want to abandon our team discipline. You can either chose a line in the sand or not.

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This sounds a lot like the rhetoric from the first time the Jags ran TC out of town.  He goes to NYC and wins two superbowls...  It was the biggest mistake the Jaguars have ever made.  How about we learn from the past and keep TC?  Let the talented narcissistic player go and move forward with a team that wants to win together.

I disagree. 

Weaver had no choice but to move on from TC because Coughlin wanted to be GM, HC and OC and control absolutely everything. 
He couldn't do it all well simultaneously and the team suffered as a result. As did our salary cap.

He was told immediately he couldn't pull that [BLEEP] in NY and reminded of it on multiple occasions when he was too heavy-handed with his players. That was part of the winning equation for him with the giants. He was the head coach and nothing more. That's what he was good at. 

His position in the Jags organization is to control the front office.  He seemingly overstepped that when he went to the locker room and chewed out a player. Especially if he didn't consult Marrone first. 

I'm not necessarily trying to run him out of town, but I'm not impressed with the Fournette pick or the Bortles extension and he's part of those problems. Add this situation if he was indeed truly out of line in his approach with Jalen (we don't really know what was said) and he may be on thin ice with Khan. Who wants Jalen to stay on a big money deal.

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