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KingIngram052787 · 11-05-2019, 01:19 PM

(11-05-2019, 01:13 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 10:09 AM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: Please, name me other coaches who are out there winning national titles without heisman caliber college QBs in the last 20 years. There are like, what maybe 2 teams and none that recent?

He won 2 orange bowls without Winston and 2 peach bowls and quickly turned around a complete MESS of a program. Jimbo was successful and helped take FSU to the next level with facilities by getting the indoor practice facility and starting the unconquered campaign to begin raising funds for a football only facility. His method of doing that grew tiring on the administration and the boosters and that was ultimately his downfall, being a complete tyrant (and not caring about academics).

There are plenty of schools that don't rely on the QB. Fisher won because of the assistant coaches around him and the QB lifting up his sorry offense. He would have been fired from FSU if Dalvin Cook didn't save him, his sorry OL coach, who he refused to replace, and terrible OL recruiting. He also failed to recruit a good QB again after Winston.

Fisher also ran off every capable coach around him and no one wanted to take a job with him.

The boosters also hated Fisher. There was a reason it was so hard to get money.

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You still haven't name the schools winning national titles without heisman caliber QBs.

"He would've been fired if all of the great players he recruited and coached weren't good." You could say the same thing about every coach, part of their job is to identify and recruit those players; which he was good at for some time and then was terrible at/couldn't sustain it.

Fisher was successful and won plenty of games without Winston, but even so coaches aren't winning championships without that level of QB. Just look at the last several championship teams. To think otherwise or deny his success is asinine. He moved on as he wasn't able to sustain it, but that's a completely different argument than what you said.