(01-30-2020, 10:01 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(01-30-2020, 07:37 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: As far as your first question, well yes.  That is in fact a quid-pro-quo or as the democrats originally put it, "bribery".  What President Trump said in the phone call is not near to what this was.

If he chose to run in the 2016 election he wouldn't have had a chance.  The DNC establishment already had Hillary as the chosen one.

The fact of the matter is, he didn't do this to win an election, he did it for money.

I'm actually not going to disagree with you, up to this point.
In reality, Biden had no chance in 2016. 
I don't know his real motives for messing with Ukraine, but it's certainly plausible he did it for money.
But what if Hillary was out of the picture, and Biden told us he did it for votes? What if we all believed him when he said it? And what if a lot of other smart people were saying that Ukraine's prosecutor hadn't done anything wrong? Meaning, if those smart people were right, there was no good reason, other than getting votes, for Biden to do that.
Would that have been okay?

Regarding the part in bold, it was most likely because they (Ukraine) were investigating his son regarding corruption.  You know, the son that had no experience in the industry that he was "hired" for.  It was all about the money.

You can say "what if" all you want (as far as Hillary being out of the picture).  There really is no relevance to your rambling about it.  The fact of the matter remains.  Joe Biden did in fact commit a "prid-quo-pro" while serving as the Vice President.  It had nothing to do with political gain and everything to do about money.

The contrast here is that President Trump did NOT commit a "qrid-quo-pro" or bribery (which were the initial allegations).  He made a legitimate request to a new Prime Minister regarding corruption.

Answer this.  Your Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi said that he committed bribery among other things.  Why is that not one of the Articles of Impeachment?  Why was it so important to rush the vote through in The House, yet she held the articles for so long before sending them to The Senate?

I can't wait to see how you spin this one.

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