I really don't like the way things are shaping up at 20. It was nice when Henderson or Ruggs were there in handfuls of mocks. Now it looks like the start of a really big tier break. I haven't seen a mock where I have been happy with our pick at 20 in a long time. Josh Jones is just about the only person I ever see in that range that doesn't feel like a reach. 

Trade up to get Kinlaw, Ruggs, or Henderson. Trade down to the middle of the tier and still have plenty of Jackson, Mims, Jefferson, Ruiz, Blacklock, or plethora of corner/safety options left to pick from. Just don't stick at 20 please.

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Never know who's gonna' fall there, but I'm OK with it being a QB that somebody else wants really badly.

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Never know who's gonna' fall there, but I'm OK with it being a QB that somebody else wants really badly.

I'm not tempting fate. I'm trading up to get one of the few difference makers left. One of Wirfs/Wills/Thomas plus one of Kinlaw/Henderson/Ruggs would have me doing backflips.

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I really don't like the way things are shaping up at 20. It was nice when Henderson or Ruggs were there in handfuls of mocks. Now it looks like the start of a really big tier break. I haven't seen a mock where I have been happy with our pick at 20 in a long time. Josh Jones is just about the only person I ever see in that range that doesn't feel like a reach. 

Trade up to get Kinlaw, Ruggs, or Henderson. Trade down to the middle of the tier and still have plenty of Jackson, Mims, Jefferson, Ruiz, Blacklock, or plethora of corner/safety options left to pick from. Just don't stick at 20 please.

We certainly have the picks to move up, and that's before any Ngakoue trade.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I agree.

Of course the problem is gonna be that if we see 20 as being a spot where the talent drops off, then other teams will almost certainly see the same. Trading could be tricky.

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Agree. Go up and get Jeudy. Okudah, Jeudy, and Blacklock/Gallimore. Done and done

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I'd love to trade up for Kinlaw, Lamb or maybe a OT, but if we stay I am starting to like Terrell and Fulton.

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I agree.

Of course the problem is gonna be that if we see 20 as being a spot where the talent drops off, then other teams will almost certainly see the same. Trading could be tricky.

In general I agree, but 20 is a decent spot for a couple of our non needs. Maybe an LB needy team that wants Murray or Queen, or a team that wants Chaisson or Gross-Matos. 20 is a good range for a couple of those guys to go.

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Trade up or maybe we get someone to give us next year's 1st for it

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Never know who's gonna' fall there, but I'm OK with it being a QB that somebody else wants really badly.

Agree.

Sometimes trading down out of no-mans-land for a lower pick works better than reaching up.  Depends who's there, and what your trading partner is asking/offering.

That's the variable rarely mentioned in these scenarios - what the trading partner is asking for that move upwards.

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Anyone got free time to look up the picks at 20 the last 10-15 years?

Last year at 20 went Fant but right after? Savage and Dillard.

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I feel pretty confident that Dave will he attempting to trade up. Can’t see him bringing in 12 rookies.

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Anyone got free time to look up the picks at 20 the last 10-15 years?

Last year at 20 went Fant but right after? Savage and Dillard.

N°9 :

2019 - Ed Oliver DT
2018 - Mike McGlinchey OT
2017 - John Ross WR
2016 - Leonard Floyd LB
2015 - Ereck Flowers OT
2014 - Anthony Barr LB
2013 - Dee Miliner DB
2012 - Luke Kuechly LB
2011 - Tyron Smith OT
2010 - CJ Spiller RB
2009 - BJ Raji DT
2008 - Keith Rivers LB
2007 - Ted Ginn WR
2006 - Ernie Sims LB
2005 - Carlos Rogers DB
2004 - Reggie Williams (Jax)
2003 - Kevin Williams DT
2002 - John Henderson DT (Jax)
2001 - Koren Robinson WR
2000 - Brian Urlacher LB



N°20 :

2019 - Noah Fant TE
2018 - Frank Ragnow C
2017 - Garett Bolles OT
2016 - Darron Lee LB
2015 - Nelson Agholor WR
2014 - Brandin Cooks WR
2013 - Kyle Long G
2012 - Kendall Wright WR
2011 - Adrian Clayborn WR
2010 - Kareen Jackson DB
2009 - Brandon Pettigrew TE
2008 - Aqib Talib DB
2007 - Aaron Ross DB
2006 - Tamba Hali DE
2005 - Marcus Spears DE
2004 - Kenechi Udeze DE
2003 - George Foster OT
2002 - Javon Walker WR
2001 - Adam Archuleta DB
2000 - Stockar McDougle OT

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Don't we have this every year? "5 feels like no man's land." "9 feels like no man's land." Don't we have this same conversation every single year?

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Anyone got free time to look up the picks at 20 the last 10-15 years?

Last year at 20 went Fant but right after? Savage and Dillard.

N°9 :

2019 - Ed Oliver DT
2018 - Mike McGlinchey OT
2017 - John Ross WR
2016 - Leonard Floyd LB
2015 - Ereck Flowers OT
2014 - Anthony Barr LB
2013 - Dee Miliner DB
2012 - Luke Kuechly LB
2011 - Tyron Smith OT
2010 - CJ Spiller RB
2009 - BJ Raji DT
2008 - Keith Rivers LB
2007 - Ted Ginn WR
2006 - Ernie Sims LB
2005 - Carlos Rogers DB
2004 - Reggie Williams (Jax)
2003 - Kevin Williams DT
2002 - John Henderson DT (Jax)
2001 - Koren Robinson WR
2000 - Brian Urlacher LB



N°20 :

2019 - Noah Fant TE
2018 - Frank Ragnow C
2017 - Garett Bolles OT
2016 - Darron Lee LB
2015 - Nelson Agholor WR
2014 - Brandin Cooks WR
2013 - Kyle Long G
2012 - Kendall Wright WR
2011 - Adrian Clayborn WR
2010 - Kareen Jackson DB
2009 - Brandon Pettigrew TE
2008 - Aqib Talib DB
2007 - Aaron Ross DB
2006 - Tamba Hali DE
2005 - Marcus Spears DE
2004 - Kenechi Udeze DE
2003 - George Foster OT
2002 - Javon Walker WR
2001 - Adam Archuleta DB
2000 - Stockar McDougle OT

Thanks!

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N°9 :

2019 - Ed Oliver DT
2018 - Mike McGlinchey OT
2017 - John Ross WR
2016 - Leonard Floyd LB
2015 - Ereck Flowers OT
2014 - Anthony Barr LB
2013 - Dee Miliner DB
2012 - Luke Kuechly LB
2011 - Tyron Smith OT
2010 - CJ Spiller RB
2009 - BJ Raji DT
2008 - Keith Rivers LB
2007 - Ted Ginn WR
2006 - Ernie Sims LB
2005 - Carlos Rogers DB
2004 - Reggie Williams (Jax)
2003 - Kevin Williams DT
2002 - John Henderson DT (Jax)
2001 - Koren Robinson WR
2000 - Brian Urlacher LB



N°20 :

2019 - Noah Fant TE
2018 - Frank Ragnow C
2017 - Garett Bolles OT
2016 - Darron Lee LB
2015 - Nelson Agholor WR
2014 - Brandin Cooks WR
2013 - Kyle Long G
2012 - Kendall Wright WR
2011 - Adrian Clayborn WR
2010 - Kareen Jackson DB
2009 - Brandon Pettigrew TE
2008 - Aqib Talib DB
2007 - Aaron Ross DB
2006 - Tamba Hali DE
2005 - Marcus Spears DE
2004 - Kenechi Udeze DE
2003 - George Foster OT
2002 - Javon Walker WR
2001 - Adam Archuleta DB
2000 - Stockar McDougle OT

Thanks!

That list at 20 is not pretty. Not that that means anything much.

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Yes trading up makes a ton of sense at #20, and we have more than enough capital to do so.

Moving up to 13/14/15/16 would only cost around a 2020 3rd and 2021 3rd I would say, depending on the team

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Called that one. Don't stay at 20.

https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/12...7660316672

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Called that one. Don't stay at 20.

https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/12...7660316672

Most on this board called that one

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Called that one. Don't stay at 20.

https://twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/12...7660316672

Unless a top tier talent you had rated in the top ten falls to twenty you should be looking to trade down. My hope is that some team like New England (23rd pick), New Orleans (24th pick) or San Francisco (31st pick) want to move up to draft Jordan Love. 

Could swap 1st RD picks with either of those teams on opening night while maybe picking up the 98th and 110th pick from New England, or the 88th pick from New Orleans. San Francisco would have to give up a future pick for me there. To move up 11 spots from 31 to 20?

Need a future pick, probably a 2nd round pick at the minimum and at least the 156th pick and maybe the 210th pick to make it somewhat worth while. That's a huge difference in value to jump up from 31 to 20.

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