(06-02-2020, 10:59 AM)hb1148 Wrote:

(06-02-2020, 08:40 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: Couple things.  1) Yes, Caldwell is better than both Shack and Gene.  If you don't think that's obvious, I don't know what you're looking at.  A team's record is not necessarily an indicator of the effectiveness of the GM, given how many moving pieces there are to a team.

2) We don't really know the dynamics of who picked who or whatever, but we do know Foles was Coughlin's guy and he forced the issue to start him when he was "healthy."  So I'm not certain that we can really say Minshew was his guy.

Better than Gene, without a doubt. Better than Shack though? If you look at the actual results on the field, Shack built better rosters.  If you're not looking at a team's record over time as the effectiveness of a GM, what the hell else are you looking at?

I dunno.... Shack's successful teams had a lot of leftovers from the Coughlin drafts (Freddy T, DD, Stroud, Henderson, Meester, Mo Williams, Garrard even) and he had a better HC than Caldwell has had (which I guess is a fault of Caldwell to be fair). 
I'd probably have Shack and Caldwell as about even as far as GM skills go.
They both had some serious first round whiffs. And 2008 was about as bad as a handling of a draft as I've seen. Which was Shack's last.

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