(06-25-2020, 05:12 AM)Hurricane Wrote: (06-24-2020, 05:54 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: This gives you 0 credibility. Look at the wins and the few pro bowlers we have had in his time here.
Again I get it some people are blind and will always believe the brass has been good. Caldwell took the helm in what 2013, 2014? To almost every expert, we were one of if not the worst NFL team of the decade. Cmon man, stop making stuff up.
You do realize that talent doesn't always end up as wins right? Piss poor coaches are going to result in losses no matter how good your team is. Look at Myles Jack for instance. Him playing MLB is way out of his realm and it showed horribly. Does that mean he isn't talented?
We've had alot of talent in Jacksonville, just because we haven't put up W's doesn't mean we don't. I've never once said the front office has been good. I'm here pointing out good things that have happened for the sake of the debate. Cmon man, stop making stuff up.
Indeed.
The talent was there in 2017. That team was built almost solely by Caldwell (prior to Coughlin arriving). About half of the contributors were draft picks and half were FAs. And ever since that season the talent on the team has been ushered out (or forced their way out, or just left) or gotten old and not replaced properly.
Which definitely falls on Caldwell (and Coughlin). As I've said... he hasn't been good enough for his entire tenure. But these kids acting like he's been dreadful his entire career is silly. The W/L column isn't on the GM solely. The coaches have been called out by players and fans for awful schemes and usage of players and play calling on offense constantly.
Could we get better from our GM and front office? I believe so. But there are posters on here pounding away at the keyboard pretending like it couldn't be any worse. It most definitely could be.
Teams like the Skins, Browns, Jets, Raiders and Phins and even Tampa Bay have bungled their rosters way worse over the last 7-8 years. And some of them seemingly swap out GMs every 2-3 years with not much getting better.
I was ready for a fresh change at GM this past off season. Thought it would happen too. But not because Caldwell has been down right terrible for 7 years, more so because he's been okay. And just okay won't fix poor coaching picks, or a whiff at QB in the top 5. And Coughlin probably compounded it by hitching our hopes to high priced free agents. We should have started fresh this season but for a handful of seasons prior to Caldwell our team wasn't even watchable. Once Bortles was in his sophomore season our games were watchable at least, even if we still lost a bunch. And then 2017 happened, which for teams like the Browns and Jets and Tampa is more than they've seen for over 10 years.
Anywho... this discussion has deteriorated quite a bit into arguing over semantics of "just how bad" Caldwell was. I don't think anyone was saying he's been great, or even good. Just not as bad as some posters would claim.
