(06-27-2020, 10:35 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote:

(06-26-2020, 05:10 AM)Hurricane Wrote: Are you seriously this dense? Show me one spot i said David Caldwell was a good GM. This is a debate, a debate requires both sides of the disagreement. All I have simply done is pointed out some of the positives he has done to counter your negatives. That in no way shape or form is me saying he IS a good GM. Its a debate. Stop trying to say I'm saying he is good or bad. It's a simple debate dude.

You could point at the positives in anything.  Gene Smith done a couple of good things here. What is the point?  Did I say that he was the worst GM of all time and has done nothing good?  No.  The point is he is a Bad GM.  If you agree with me, I do not understand the point of your original statement.  Are you that dense?

You really don't understand what a debate is do you?

My feelings on Caldwell aren't that hes great or terrible. I think hes done a good job in some areas and failed in others. Had he not wiffed so badly on Bradley and Bortles i think our conversation would be totally different, but it happens. Outside of those 2 mistakes, i don't think hes made a whole bunch of bad choices. Them bringing Coughlin in was good enough for a one good season before everything come unraveled and its hard not to point at Coughlin for the majority of what Caldwell built up to no longer be here. So me personally, i don't feel he should be crucified for 2 mistakes that very well could of went either way. 

Bradley was a great defensive coach. You don't really know what you have until the person is put in the position and the heat gets turned on. He failed and he failed miserably, but i don't remember too many people completely hating the idea of Bradley being named the head coach. Yes, his tenure was way too long. Should of been cut sooner. 

As for Bortles, yes he was a bad pick. We reached pretty far for him. But when you find a QB that you like, you swing for the fences. I was atleast happy he was willing to take the chance. If the pick turns out great, you are looked at as legendary. It wasn't like Bortles was looked at by everyone in the league as a 3rd or 4th round. I'm pretty sure he was projected later in the 1st. 


But to sum it up, Caldwell has made mistakes. Sadly big ones that hurt the franchise for years. The 2 positions that were affected most imo in Head Coach and Quarterback are the 2 biggest make or break for any team. It wasn't like he made those positions way worse than what we had, they were already garbage to begin with. Since Khan has decided to keep him on board for atleast this year, I'm fine with it. As we have seen in the past, it actually can be much worse. Hopefully Minshew turns out to be the real deal and half of his issue would be fixed. Sadly, I'm not a fan of Marrone and Minshews success would more than likely save his job but winning makes everyone look better.

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