(06-11-2020, 12:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(06-11-2020, 12:08 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You've heard it ad nauseum. There is a group of wealthy influencers that believe in a globalist, socialist world. America is the largest obstacle to that vision, because it has a unique culture that is anti-authoritarian and self-interested. The soviet union broke itself trying to undo the American sense of identity and individuality.

Honestly, dude, it's a waste of time to try to write it all here, because there is SO many different rabbit holes you have to hop down to start making sense of it all. I need to talk about Marxism and the goals of the early 20th century (I could go back further even, to the inception of communist ideals in Germany and the problems they faced as they pitched this philosophy there, before being driven out of the country or underground). I need to talk about the philosophy that preceded it and dealt directly with creating revolution in industrialized countries. I need to talk about the cold war, and the US/Russian propaganda and tactics that lead to practices like disinformation and sleeper cells. I need to talk about the American schools of communist thought and how they also were driven underground before resurfacing  in the 60's. I need to talk about how they came to prominence in institutions and the long term strategies pitched by their philosophers. I also need to talk about what separates them from their Russian counterparts. I need to talk about how things changed as the cold war escalated, especially the use of language, and how the term "communism" became a dirty word. Actually, I'd really need to spend a lot of time on language, as this is a primary strategy in affecting change, but it came directly out of communist thought. I need to talk about how things changed after the cold war ended. I need to talk about how the strategies are continuing to evolve and change as the left takes control of various institutions. Only once we have a shared understanding of that history can we begin to make light of what's going on. How much of this stuff have you actually studied?

The truth is that books can and have been written about this subject. I don't expect everyone to have read any of it, but it's foolish to to pretend that we are not in an ideological war. It's foolish to believe we are in a battle over any one issue. The goal is to find issues in disparate groups and bind them under a similar ideology. Muslim issues. Check. Immigration issues. Check. Black issues. Check. Union issues. Check. LGTBQ issues. Check. Environmental issues. Check. These groups have entirely different goals, but their grievances are being tied to American capitalism. When you go to the major activist websites for these groups, you will see they advocate socialist values and the underlying claim is that these issues can't be resolved in an American capitalist system. The word, comrade, is used twice on the BLM website. Tell me, how many black folks that use the word comrade? These groups are funded by wealthy backers that believe they can help achieve their vision of the world, and it's evident the connection when you start reading their mission statements.

So no evidence of subversive funding, and no answer to what the actual goal of that funding may be. 

I'm just supposed to believe there is an evil force at work manipulating activists to do something bad, but we're not sure what exactly, and we know this because you read some books. 

OK.  Thanks for nothing, I guess. 

Also - comrade isn't a bad word. You are merely associating it to support your narrative. 
While we're on that - have you read the "what we believe statement" on the BLM website? 
Aside from the gender thing that is very divisive these days, it's not very controversial at all IMO. And it does not in any way lead me to believe it was written by wealthy backers with an evil mission. 

It's also very important to note that many of the millions of people walking around carrying "Black Lives Matter" banners at these protests have likely never even seen that website or associate themselves in any way with it. They merely support the idea of ending injustices against people of color by police.

I didn't say I couldn't provide it. I just said it would take too much time. Also, I didn't say they were evil. I said their values oppose American capitalism. I don't think they think they are evil, but I do think the methods they use are underhanded and manipulative. Also, if you read any communist philosophy at all, you would know how much BLM belief statements are directly connected to that mode of thought. I agree with your last statement. When I have taken my black friends to the BLM website, they immediately reject what's being advocated there. The slogan first, then you attack anyone that disagrees with BLM and their agenda. Subversion 101. 

Look, dude. I know this can come across as very conspiratorial. But what I listed in the previous post is all facts I have read or watched in videos. My hobby is history and philosophy. My degrees are in poli sci and international affairs. I like to follow evidence. I am very eager to understand individuals and their motivations. I rarely just throw out someone's opinions without carefully considering them unless it's Mikesez. Funding gets difficult once you get to the LLC level because of the laws that allow investors to donate anonymously, but you can see how these organizations are connected. 

I've shared the story about community organizers being tied to universities, whose funding was tied to other organizations before the money trail goes cold. There were 4 layers between Harvard and the group that trained my friend in Native American injustice. 3 more layers above it, then  you can't see who's funding it anymore. That money just isn't falling out of the sky. Community organizers are trained to go into communities and manufacture resentment so those people will vote for the group that is promising to resolve it (only they never do). You don't know how many layers there are to this onion until you start peeling them away.

You don't care about Tony Timpa. Why not? I have said repeatedly we can look at police reform. But the narrative has already become defund the police. Why? Why does those goal posts move so quickly. I can show you were these socialist philosophers say you should defund the police.... 50 years ago. I can show you where these philosophers wanted to destroy heteronormative practices (different name back then). I can show you were they wanted open borders back then. Why is it moving in that direction? We they just prophetic? Is that the inevitable tide of human evolution and a thing of destiny? Or is it part of an ideology that is being driven by a narrative that achieves it's goals then moves the goal posts?

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