I got this.

Uncle Ben's downed and coined. Freakin' Clinton's.

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I dunno... everything he did after the Civil War?

[Testifying to Congress in 1866,] Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee#cite_note-137][/font]

In an interview in May 1866, Lee said: "The Radical party are likely to do a great deal of harm, for we wish now for good feeling to grow up between North and South, and the President, Mr. Johnson, has been doing much to strengthen the feeling in favor of the Union among us. The relations between the Negroes and the whites were friendly formerly, and would remain so if legislation be not passed in favor of the blacks, in a way that will only do them harm."[

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Ok, now throw in some Andrew Jackson quotes about Natives.

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I dunno... everything he did after the Civil War?

[Testifying to Congress in 1866,] Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee#cite_note-137][/font]

In an interview in May 1866, Lee said: "The Radical party are likely to do a great deal of harm, for we wish now for good feeling to grow up between North and South, and the President, Mr. Johnson, has been doing much to strengthen the feeling in favor of the Union among us. The relations between the Negroes and the whites were friendly formerly, and would remain so if legislation be not passed in favor of the blacks, in a way that will only do them harm."[

From your same Wikipedia page.

When Virginia's 1861 Richmond Convention declared secession from the Union, Lee chose to follow his home state, despite his desire for the country to remain intact and an offer of a senior Union command.

In 1865, Lee became president of Washington College (later Washington and Lee University) in Lexington, Virginia; in that position, he supported reconciliation between North and South. He accepted "the extinction of slavery" provided for by the Thirteenth Amendment, but opposed racial equality for African Americans and died in 1870.

Your selective history regarding Robert E Lee and Andrew Jackson is clearly biased to fit your narrative.

Answer this.  Andrew Jackson owned hundreds of slaves that worked a large cotton plantation in the south.  Which side of the Civil War do you think he would have supported and why?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I dunno... everything he did after the Civil War?

If you can't beat them, join them.  Lee lost and was just doing what his daddy (The Union) told him to do.

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So Andrew Jackson is a "mixed bag" but Robert E. Lee was evil correct?

In my opinion, yes.
Even Lee's valiant service in the war with Mexico was meant to gain new territory for slaveholders.
Can you name something good the man did that wasn't an effort to preserve or expand slavery?

Dude, Jackson owned slaves, ran plantations, and dedicated years of his life to committing mass murder (literally, straight up genocide) against an entire race because he wanted their land. I'm not going to defend Lee, but calling a literal genocidal maniac a "mixed bag" while a guy who wanted to expand slavery is evil is just...[BLEEP]'s sake, man.

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In my opinion, yes.
Even Lee's valiant service in the war with Mexico was meant to gain new territory for slaveholders.
Can you name something good the man did that wasn't an effort to preserve or expand slavery?

Dude, Jackson owned slaves, ran plantations, and dedicated years of his life to committing mass murder (literally, straight up genocide) against an entire race because he wanted their land. I'm not going to defend Lee, but calling a literal genocidal maniac a "mixed bag" while a guy who wanted to expand slavery is evil is just...[BLEEP]'s sake, man.

Even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did, the fact that Jackson also did good things for the country means I have little problem with his name being on cities and his statue being on public land.
Lee didn't do anything good for the US.  Jackson did.
I also hesitate to call the man a "genocidal maniac" as he adopted an abandoned native boy and raised him to adulthood.

Now, if there is ever a groundswell of support to remove those statues of Jackson and change the names of cities, I'll stand aside. I don't care that much. I think its outrageous we have things named after Lee. I'm neutral about things named after Jackson.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You mean the MSM just hasn't told you to remove Jackson statues yet.

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Dude, Jackson owned slaves, ran plantations, and dedicated years of his life to committing mass murder (literally, straight up genocide) against an entire race because he wanted their land. I'm not going to defend Lee, but calling a literal genocidal maniac a "mixed bag" while a guy who wanted to expand slavery is evil is just...[BLEEP]'s sake, man.

Even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did, the fact that Jackson also did good things for the country means I have little problem with his name being on cities and his statue being on public land.
Lee didn't do anything good for the US.  Jackson did.
I also hesitate to call the man a "genocidal maniac" as he adopted an abandoned native boy and raised him to adulthood.  

Now, if there is ever a groundswell of support to remove those statues of Jackson and change the names of cities, I'll stand aside.  I don't care that much.  I think its outrageous we have things named after Lee.  I'm neutral about things named after Jackson.

You really need to learn history sometime.

To your point that "Lee didn't do anything good for the US".  You are saying that his accomplishments prior to the Civil War wasn't good for the U.S.?  The fact that he was against secession both prior to and after the Civil War isn't a good thing?  The fact that he supported reconciliation between North and South and accepted "the extinction of slavery" is a bad thing?  Yes he was not for equal rights and was against letting black people voting back then, but consider his reasoning.  Back then black people were not "educated" and that's what he was saying in the very quote from your Wikipedia page.

Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[

Then you say that "even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did... blah, blah, blah".  It doesn't seem to matter to you that he was a slave owner of nearly 200 slaves.  He owned a cotton plantation in Tennessee.  He was hesitant for the annexation of Texas because he was afraid that it would increase the cause of the abolitionist movement (you know, ridding slavery) which he strongly opposed.  He signed the Indian Removal Act which displaced and killed many Native Americans (in my opinion almost more cruel than the slavery that he supported).

You said that Andrew Jackson did good things for the U.S. care to name them?

You also never answered my previous question.  If Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War, which side would he have chosen and why?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Just let him hang himself, so we can use this against him when he is on the side of renaming Jacksonville (when that time inevitably comes).

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Just let him hang himself, so we can use this against him when he is on the side of renaming Jacksonville (when that time inevitably comes).

LOL.  I'm sure that he will find some small quote from Wikipedia to back his argument up.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Great-Grandson of 'Aunt Jemima' Furious That the Brand Is Being Canceled
A great-grandson of a black woman who once played the character of “Aunt Jemima” is angry that Quaker Oats is planning to cancel the brand.

https://www.westernjournal.com/great-gra...BdtMhr-R9w

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You know trouble is right around the corner when your best friend tells you to hold his beer!!

Just let him hang himself, 

So, so racist. I'm so disappointed in your usage of such painful imagery.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Great-Grandson of 'Aunt Jemima' Furious That the Brand Is Being Canceled
A great-grandson of a black woman who once played the character of “Aunt Jemima” is angry that Quaker Oats is planning to cancel the brand.

https://www.westernjournal.com/great-gra...BdtMhr-R9w

It's ok, he still got to play his race card against the one race it's permitted to casually slur or slander and deity damned time they feel like it and no one says [BLEEP] about it. [BLEEP] white people, right?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did, the fact that Jackson also did good things for the country means I have little problem with his name being on cities and his statue being on public land.
Lee didn't do anything good for the US.  Jackson did.
I also hesitate to call the man a "genocidal maniac" as he adopted an abandoned native boy and raised him to adulthood.  

Now, if there is ever a groundswell of support to remove those statues of Jackson and change the names of cities, I'll stand aside.  I don't care that much.  I think its outrageous we have things named after Lee.  I'm neutral about things named after Jackson.

You really need to learn history sometime.

To your point that "Lee didn't do anything good for the US".  You are saying that his accomplishments prior to the Civil War wasn't good for the U.S.?  The fact that he was against secession both prior to and after the Civil War isn't a good thing?  The fact that he supported reconciliation between North and South and accepted "the extinction of slavery" is a bad thing?  Yes he was not for equal rights and was against letting black people voting back then, but consider his reasoning.  Back then black people were not "educated" and that's what he was saying in the very quote from your Wikipedia page.

Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[

Then you say that "even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did... blah, blah, blah".  It doesn't seem to matter to you that he was a slave owner of nearly 200 slaves.  He owned a cotton plantation in Tennessee.  He was hesitant for the annexation of Texas because he was afraid that it would increase the cause of the abolitionist movement (you know, ridding slavery) which he strongly opposed.  He signed the Indian Removal Act which displaced and killed many Native Americans (in my opinion almost more cruel than the slavery that he supported).

You said that Andrew Jackson did good things for the U.S. care to name them?

You also never answered my previous question.  If Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War, which side would he have chosen and why?

You're going to think that I'm just incensed and emotional when you read the following cliche words, but please know that I'm speaking directly regarding your intellect and ability to connect ideas:
You have no right to speak to me that way.

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Just let him hang himself, so we can use this against him when he is on the side of renaming Jacksonville (when that time inevitably comes).

Everyone is just a wooden actor in the play you made up about a constant battle between good people and socialists.
You'll find a way to shoehorn me some way or the other.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You really need to learn history sometime.

To your point that "Lee didn't do anything good for the US".  You are saying that his accomplishments prior to the Civil War wasn't good for the U.S.?  The fact that he was against secession both prior to and after the Civil War isn't a good thing?  The fact that he supported reconciliation between North and South and accepted "the extinction of slavery" is a bad thing?  Yes he was not for equal rights and was against letting black people voting back then, but consider his reasoning.  Back then black people were not "educated" and that's what he was saying in the very quote from your Wikipedia page.



Then you say that "even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did... blah, blah, blah".  It doesn't seem to matter to you that he was a slave owner of nearly 200 slaves.  He owned a cotton plantation in Tennessee.  He was hesitant for the annexation of Texas because he was afraid that it would increase the cause of the abolitionist movement (you know, ridding slavery) which he strongly opposed.  He signed the Indian Removal Act which displaced and killed many Native Americans (in my opinion almost more cruel than the slavery that he supported).

You said that Andrew Jackson did good things for the U.S. care to name them?

You also never answered my previous question.  If Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War, which side would he have chosen and why?

You're going to think that I'm just incensed and emotional when you read the following cliche words, but please know that I'm speaking directly regarding your intellect and ability to connect ideas:
You have no right to speak to me that way.

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Just let him hang himself, so we can use this against him when he is on the side of renaming Jacksonville (when that time inevitably comes).

Everyone is just a wooden actor in the play you made up about a constant battle between good people and socialists.
You'll find a way to shoehorn me some way or the other.

Bwaaahahahahaha, you're a NeverTrumper, a Useful Idiot who can't wait to find his next hill to not die on.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You're going to think that I'm just incensed and emotional when you read the following cliche words, but please know that I'm speaking directly regarding your intellect and ability to connect ideas:
You have no right to speak to me that way.

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Everyone is just a wooden actor in the play you made up about a constant battle between good people and socialists.
You'll find a way to shoehorn me some way or the other.

Bwaaahahahahaha, you're a NeverTrumper, a Useful Idiot who can't wait to find his next hill to not die on.

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-star-wars-b...f-14760414

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did, the fact that Jackson also did good things for the country means I have little problem with his name being on cities and his statue being on public land.
Lee didn't do anything good for the US.  Jackson did.
I also hesitate to call the man a "genocidal maniac" as he adopted an abandoned native boy and raised him to adulthood.  

Now, if there is ever a groundswell of support to remove those statues of Jackson and change the names of cities, I'll stand aside.  I don't care that much.  I think its outrageous we have things named after Lee.  I'm neutral about things named after Jackson.

You really need to learn history sometime.

To your point that "Lee didn't do anything good for the US".  You are saying that his accomplishments prior to the Civil War wasn't good for the U.S.?  The fact that he was against secession both prior to and after the Civil War isn't a good thing?  The fact that he supported reconciliation between North and South and accepted "the extinction of slavery" is a bad thing?  Yes he was not for equal rights and was against letting black people voting back then, but consider his reasoning.  Back then black people were not "educated" and that's what he was saying in the very quote from your Wikipedia page.

Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[

Then you say that "even if Jackson did more bad things than Lee did... blah, blah, blah".  It doesn't seem to matter to you that he was a slave owner of nearly 200 slaves.  He owned a cotton plantation in Tennessee.  He was hesitant for the annexation of Texas because he was afraid that it would increase the cause of the abolitionist movement (you know, ridding slavery) which he strongly opposed.  He signed the Indian Removal Act which displaced and killed many Native Americans (in my opinion almost more cruel than the slavery that he supported).

You said that Andrew Jackson did good things for the U.S. care to name them?

You also never answered my previous question.  If Andrew Jackson was alive during the Civil War, which side would he have chosen and why?

Andrew Jackson killed the national bank. That alone is about the most positive fiscal action any president ever did in history in my book.

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You said that Andrew Jackson did good things for the U.S. care to name them?

He did in post #35.

He eliminated the national debt. He used the army to enforce tariffs in South Carolina, preserving the union for another generation. He won a decisive victory for this country against the British in New Orleans by making good tactical decisions.

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