All live matter sounds like a nice philosophy.

They surely agree with removing slave owner statues?
Equal access to health care?
I imagine they champion the LGBT community and don't just concern themselves with toilets.

Are they out there peacefully protesting the poor treatment of black people too?

Or are they just full of sh...

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All live matter sounds like a nice philosophy.

They surely agree with removing slave owner statues?
Equal access to health care?
I imagine they champion the LGBT community and don't just concern themselves with toilets.

Are they out there peacefully protesting the poor treatment of black people too?

Or are they just full of sh...

It's sh... like this that maybe convinces me I am wrong. Should I treat the black, and white employees that work for me different? NO, I won't.

And you are an idiot that has no clue other than to push a narrative you aren't even up close and personal with. Fix your own sh...y country. Not that your type has the fortitude to do it.

Weaklings are everywhere, but never in the front.

It is a good thing we protect the weakling Aussies from China.

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I’m not going to go hunting for statistics while on my phone. The phrase “black lives matter” is viewed with contempt by a lot of white peoples and jj because they don’t understand what it means and they don’t want to. You can’t say that all lives matter when certain lives are made to matter more or less.

But, you can't show any proof, except your opinion? I don't hold that in contempt, it's a lie that you are pushing. I am in many mixed circles, and not one black person in my circle would agree with YOU. You are the problem, not some arbitrary "white" people that ... YOU CAN'T LIST. You are lying, and you won't admit it ... So you hold onto the lie as a crutch. Let it go, see the good people out there that aren't who you claim they are.

I mean, for one, I don’t get where the sudden “you’re lying” is coming from. It’s not that I can’t list. I could. But I’m on my phone and I don’t feel the need to prove it to a bunch of people on an Internet message board, because hunting for stats on a phone sucks.

I have a feeling he baited you, and you took the bait.

To your reply ... You admit it is your opinion, and you have zero proof that a black life is not equal to a white life (Today).

No "baiting" at all.  I simply responded to what he said (wrote).

The problem is that many misguided people think the very same way as the quote of his that I highlighted.

Many people view history through a very narrow lens.  Highlighted right now is the history of slavery in this country.  Think about this.  Was moving and taking the lands of Native Americans right?  Guess what?  When the Native Americans were relocated during the Trail of Tears incident it not only included them, but also the slaves that they owned.  Was the relocation and taking of their land just?  Are they exempt from the sin of slavery in our nation's history?  What about the black slave owners?  Where does it end?

Have you not seen a single thing I had to say about Andrew Jackson? He’s probably the greatest monster in American history. Custer is right up there too. Sherman, for three. To me, at least, anyone complaining about Thomas Jefferson having sex with a slave and not calling Jackson out for making extermination of an entire race his calling is ignorant or in denial.

We can move on to Asian Americans, who were put into prison camps set up by the only socialist dictator this country has ever had, FDR. And, like I‘ve said many times, my issue with the confederacy isn’t one of slavery. It isn’t one of burying history. It’s the reality that if you were on the side of the confederacy in the civil war, you are a traitor, and you should not be honored or memorialized on public ground.

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All live matter sounds like a nice philosophy.

They surely agree with removing slave owner statues?
Equal access to health care?
I imagine they champion the LGBT community and don't just concern themselves with toilets.

Are they out there peacefully protesting the poor treatment of black people too?

Or are they just full of sh...

It's sh... like this that maybe convinces me I am wrong. Should I treat the black, and white employees that work for me different? NO, I won't.

And you are an idiot that has no clue other than to push a narrative you aren't even up close and personal with. Fix your own sh...y country. Not that your type has the fortitude to do it.

Weaklings are everywhere, but never in the front.

It is a good thing we protect the weakling Aussies from China.

Who said anything about treating anyone differently?

Also BLM has had protests worldwide? I was talking about my country and your country All lives matter right?

Hey you would like it over here, don't even need a mask and have some live sport with fans.

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All Lives Matter is an anti Black Lives Matter movement.   Anyone who doesn't realize that is dense.

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All Lives Matter is an anti Black Lives Matter movement.   Anyone who doesn't realize that is dense.

Black Lives Matter has essentially branded itself a domestic terrorist group. All Lives Matter still has a fighting chance.

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All Lives Matter is an anti Black Lives Matter movement.   Anyone who doesn't realize that is dense.

Black Lives Matter has essentially branded itself a domestic terrorist group. All Lives Matter still has a fighting chance.

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Wow

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Black Lives Matter has essentially branded itself a domestic terrorist group. All Lives Matter still has a fighting chance.

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Wow

Maybe you haven't turned on the TV in a few weeks.

The message was lost a long time ago. Sorry.

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All lives matter isn't a movement. It's a response to an accusation that people don't care if black people live or die. I'm still waiting for any EVIDENCE that police or whites are killing blacks at a higher rate than any other racial group in America. If you can't support this chant with FACTS, you should probably take a second and reexamine why this moves you the way it does. Is it possible you are just being manipulated? Is it possible that your empathy is being exploited?

I don't like that George Floyd was killed as much as any of you, but I am not going to be manipulated by the image of a bad cop killing a black man. I want to look at the system as a whole before I say it's broken. When you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than you do of being shot by a police officer, I'd say blacks are doing alright in this country, at least as it pertains to systemic killings by police (which isn't a thing). Just give me any DATA that supports this lie, and I'll go protest with you.

The truth is that Black Lives Matter is a socialist program run by trained Marxists who equivocate whiteness with capitalism, and see blackness as the political tool to change the system. People mindlessly chant the narrative because they are too busy or lazy to look up the information for themselves. There is a reason it is emotionally charged. There's a reason it connects "systemic" racism to American capitalism. There's a reason it's world wide. This is not because the narrative is TRUE, but because it's a globalist, socialist movement that has a goal to destroy American idealism. Go ahead and put kneeling for the anthem in there, because it checks the right boxes. 

Prove it. Please. Show me.

You can't without shifting the argument to police brutality as a whole, which has nothing to do with Black lives specifically, or talking about the quality of black lives which has nothing to do with why the organization was formed or when they decide to protest (which is only after a black person is killed by a white man). BLM is a lie.

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All lives matter isn't a movement. It's a response to an accusation that people don't care if black people live or die. I'm still waiting for any EVIDENCE that police or whites are killing blacks at a higher rate than any other racial group in America. If you can't support this chant with FACTS, you should probably take a second and reexamine why this moves you the way it does. Is it possible you are just being manipulated? Is it possible that your empathy is being exploited?

I don't like that George Floyd was killed as much as any of you, but I am not going to be manipulated by the image of a bad cop killing a black man. I want to look at the system as a whole before I say it's broken. When you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than you do of being shot by a police officer, I'd say blacks are doing alright in this country, at least as it pertains to systemic killings by police (which isn't a thing). Just give me any DATA that supports this lie, and I'll go protest with you.

The truth is that Black Lives Matter is a socialist program run by trained Marxists who equivocate whiteness with capitalism, and see blackness as the political tool to change the system. People mindlessly chant the narrative because they are too busy or lazy to look up the information for themselves. There is a reason it is emotionally charged. There's a reason it connects "systemic" racism to American capitalism. There's a reason it's world wide. This is not because the narrative is TRUE, but because it's a globalist, socialist movement that has a goal to destroy American idealism. Go ahead and put kneeling for the anthem in there, because it checks the right boxes. 

Prove it. Please. Show me.

You can't without shifting the argument to police brutality as a whole, which has nothing to do with Black lives specifically, or talking about the quality of black lives which has nothing to do with why the organization was formed or when they decide to protest (which is only after a black person is killed by a white man). BLM is a lie.

A very quick and simple  Google check will show many sites explaining very simply, with numbers, that black people are killed at  a higher rate.  
One can also ignorantly say black people commit more crimes.  That's irrelevant.  They're not getting shot(murdered) at the same rate.
It explains it so simply laid out that someone as thick as a goal post could figure it out.

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All lives matter isn't a movement. It's a response to an accusation that people don't care if black people live or die. I'm still waiting for any EVIDENCE that police or whites are killing blacks at a higher rate than any other racial group in America. If you can't support this chant with FACTS, you should probably take a second and reexamine why this moves you the way it does. Is it possible you are just being manipulated? Is it possible that your empathy is being exploited?

I don't like that George Floyd was killed as much as any of you, but I am not going to be manipulated by the image of a bad cop killing a black man. I want to look at the system as a whole before I say it's broken. When you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than you do of being shot by a police officer, I'd say blacks are doing alright in this country, at least as it pertains to systemic killings by police (which isn't a thing). Just give me any DATA that supports this lie, and I'll go protest with you.

The truth is that Black Lives Matter is a socialist program run by trained Marxists who equivocate whiteness with capitalism, and see blackness as the political tool to change the system. People mindlessly chant the narrative because they are too busy or lazy to look up the information for themselves. There is a reason it is emotionally charged. There's a reason it connects "systemic" racism to American capitalism. There's a reason it's world wide. This is not because the narrative is TRUE, but because it's a globalist, socialist movement that has a goal to destroy American idealism. Go ahead and put kneeling for the anthem in there, because it checks the right boxes. 

Prove it. Please. Show me.

You can't without shifting the argument to police brutality as a whole, which has nothing to do with Black lives specifically, or talking about the quality of black lives which has nothing to do with why the organization was formed or when they decide to protest (which is only after a black person is killed by a white man). BLM is a lie.

A very quick and simple  Google check will show many sites explaining very simply, with numbers, that black people are killed at  a higher rate.  
One can also ignorantly say black people commit more crimes.  That's irrelevant.  They're not getting shot(murdered) at the same rate.
It explains it so simply laid out that someone as thick as a goal post could figure it out.

So you can't actually post a link and handwave instead. You just proved his point.

More whites are killed by police than blacks. Blacks killed by police are a higher percentage of the demographic, but only half the percentage of whites killed by police when violent crime rates are taken into account.

If you don't take violent crime rates into account then you'd say that males are violently discriminated against because females, while half the population, are close to zero in being killed by a cop. That would also be nonsense since females commit a very low percentage of violent crimes.

And I CAN post a link: Link

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

"Protesters from the Black Lives Matter movement vandalized and toppled a statue of Col. Hans Christian Heg, an immigrant from Norway who died fighting for the Union against slavery, on Tuesday night in Madison, Wisconsin."

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All lives matter isn't a movement. It's a response to an accusation that people don't care if black people live or die. I'm still waiting for any EVIDENCE that police or whites are killing blacks at a higher rate than any other racial group in America. If you can't support this chant with FACTS, you should probably take a second and reexamine why this moves you the way it does. Is it possible you are just being manipulated? Is it possible that your empathy is being exploited?

I don't like that George Floyd was killed as much as any of you, but I am not going to be manipulated by the image of a bad cop killing a black man. I want to look at the system as a whole before I say it's broken. When you have a better chance of being struck by lightning than you do of being shot by a police officer, I'd say blacks are doing alright in this country, at least as it pertains to systemic killings by police (which isn't a thing). Just give me any DATA that supports this lie, and I'll go protest with you.

The truth is that Black Lives Matter is a socialist program run by trained Marxists who equivocate whiteness with capitalism, and see blackness as the political tool to change the system. People mindlessly chant the narrative because they are too busy or lazy to look up the information for themselves. There is a reason it is emotionally charged. There's a reason it connects "systemic" racism to American capitalism. There's a reason it's world wide. This is not because the narrative is TRUE, but because it's a globalist, socialist movement that has a goal to destroy American idealism. Go ahead and put kneeling for the anthem in there, because it checks the right boxes. 

Prove it. Please. Show me.

You can't without shifting the argument to police brutality as a whole, which has nothing to do with Black lives specifically, or talking about the quality of black lives which has nothing to do with why the organization was formed or when they decide to protest (which is only after a black person is killed by a white man). BLM is a lie.

A very quick and simple  Google check will show many sites explaining very simply, with numbers, that black people are killed at  a higher rate.  
One can also ignorantly say black people commit more crimes.  That's irrelevant.  They're not getting shot(murdered) at the same rate.
It explains it so simply laid out that someone as thick as a goal post could figure it out.

More than half of all murders are committed by the group that makes up 13% of the population, while half of their victims are of the same race. Meanwhile, compared to the 2.7 million crimes committed by blacks each year less than 250 blacks are shot to death by the police. Irrelevant my [BLEEP], the numbers overwhelmingly disprove the ideas perpetuated by the #BLM fraudsters that the Po-lice are out there hunting innocent people of any race and executing them in cold blood. If they are then they are exceedingly bad at it.

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"Protesters from the Black Lives Matter movement vandalized and toppled a statue of Col. Hans Christian Heg, an immigrant from Norway who died fighting for the Union against slavery, on Tuesday night in Madison, Wisconsin."

He's old and white therefore he is guilty. Burn him!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

More than half of all murders are committed by the group that makes up 6% of the population. 68% of murders occur in 5% of the counties in the US. There is a significant overlap between the two. Cops policing those counties are more likely encounter blacks who have committed violent crimes which leads to more difficult arrests, which STILL only results in a death 0.003% of the time. Even if you assumed that every killing by police was unjustified (which would be ridiculous), it still almost never happens. Lethal force is EXTREMELY RARE. What program are you going to implement that is going to drastically improve that number? A number, by the way, that has decreased by over 400% since the 70's.

Lethal force is impossible to reduce to absolute zero without reducing violent crime to absolute zero. Keep buying into this LIE.

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But, you can't show any proof, except your opinion? I don't hold that in contempt, it's a lie that you are pushing. I am in many mixed circles, and not one black person in my circle would agree with YOU. You are the problem, not some arbitrary "white" people that ... YOU CAN'T LIST. You are lying, and you won't admit it ... So you hold onto the lie as a crutch. Let it go, see the good people out there that aren't who you claim they are.

I mean, for one, I don’t get where the sudden “you’re lying” is coming from. It’s not that I can’t list. I could. But I’m on my phone and I don’t feel the need to prove it to a bunch of people on an Internet message board, because hunting for stats on a phone sucks.

You can state that Black Lives Don't Matter on your Cell Phone, but you can't back that up on your Cell Phone. Very "Convenient" of you. Black Lives Do Matter ... They Do, stop with the narrative that they don't.

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I mean, for one, I don’t get where the sudden “you’re lying” is coming from. It’s not that I can’t list. I could. But I’m on my phone and I don’t feel the need to prove it to a bunch of people on an Internet message board, because hunting for stats on a phone sucks.

You can state that Black Lives Don't Matter on your Cell Phone, but you can't back that up on your Cell Phone. Very "Convenient" of you. Black Lives Do Matter ... They Do, stop with the narrative that they don't.

I'm sitting at my [BLEEP] computer. Here, have a rapid-fire:

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012160.pdf
US Dept of Education study. Tl;dr version: white students have traditionally received higher amounts of merit-based scholarship funding, with black college students getting mostly need-based funding. Oddly enough, schools have shifted money away from needs-based scholarships and into merit-based scholarships, disproportionately favoring white students.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ome-loans/
Pew Center study. Tl;dr, it's easier for a white family to get a home than a black of Hispanic family, by design, and it shows in the huge gap between how many white families own a home and how many minorities do. It doesn't get into redlining, which is definitely still a thing when you get into an area that's gentrifying or full of old white money.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Censu...igure1.pdf
The [BLEEP] Census. I mean, if this doesn't say it all, what does? Not only are black households the lowest earners, but they're the only ones whose earnings are likely to be flat as compared to every other racial group, which is seeing income rise. If care and concern is taken to ensuring that black lives matter, then why is it that black people are the one and only ethnic group in the United States that's seeing their income stay flat, as all other groups see theirs rise at about the same rate?

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You can state that Black Lives Don't Matter on your Cell Phone, but you can't back that up on your Cell Phone. Very "Convenient" of you. Black Lives Do Matter ... They Do, stop with the narrative that they don't.

I'm sitting at my [BLEEP] computer. Here, have a rapid-fire:

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2012/2012160.pdf
US Dept of Education study. Tl;dr version: white students have traditionally received higher amounts of merit-based scholarship funding, with black college students getting mostly need-based funding. Oddly enough, schools have shifted money away from needs-based scholarships and into merit-based scholarships, disproportionately favoring white students.

I like a lot of what you say, TJ, but you do have some views that are difficult to share.  This is one of them.  Are you in favor of more handouts and less rewards for hard work?  If the needy were not permitted to earn merit-based scholarships, then of course it would be a problem.  I'm white and graduated H.S. with a nice GPA and was a member of NHS but never got a merit-based scholarship because the competition was between me and probably 50,000 other young white adults for open applications, while black-only scholarships were going unclaimed back then.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20...ome-loans/
Pew Center study. Tl;dr, it's easier for a white family to get a home than a black of Hispanic family, by design, and it shows in the huge gap between how many white families own a home and how many minorities do. It doesn't get into redlining, which is definitely still a thing when you get into an area that's gentrifying or full of old white money.

I didn't purchase my own home until I was almost 45 years old, so I've been renting for most of my adult life.  Still tells you nothing of my financial situation, which is why home ownership is a not a very useful parameter to draw conclusions off, IMHO.  There are people living in NYC, DC, & SF renting $4000/mo apartments and I wouldn't consider them "disadvantaged".

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Censu...igure1.pdf
The [BLEEP] Census. I mean, if this doesn't say it all, what does? Not only are black households the lowest earners, but they're the only ones whose earnings are likely to be flat as compared to every other racial group, which is seeing income rise. If care and concern is taken to ensuring that black lives matter, then why is it that black people are the one and only ethnic group in the United States that's seeing their income stay flat, as all other groups see theirs rise at about the same rate?

It sounds like you're saying most jobs in America pay employees based on their skin color, even though EEO statutes are rock-solid Federal law.  I work for the US Postal Service, and my supervisor is asian.  His boss (my manager) is black.  The manager's boss is hispanic.  Out of the probably 200 administrative positions in the city, I'd venture to guess that minorities hold at least 60% of those positions.  Maybe my environment is not the norm, I dunno.  However, every time I have to go to the hospital it sure seems like there are black and asian nurses everywhere.  My dentist is white, but the hygenist is asian.

So, what's holding certain families back?  Maybe culture?  Ingrained work ethics and motivation?  It's not like Costco, Lowes, Amazon, etc. are saying "We'll hire you, but because your skin is darker we'll need to reduce your starting wage by $3/hr."  At the same time, I have a brother who is homeless and refuses to work for a living.  His racial affiliation is earning him no special handouts, either.

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"We believe in victory!"   - Gus Bradley
"I don't want to believe.  I want to know."   - Carl Sagan

What bait was there for him to take? If he said Black Lives Matter, the Blue wall of silence will still exist, racial disparities/practices will continue and companies will still use tongue and cheek phrases to pacify people who are treated with prejudice.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

A very quick and simple  Google check will show many sites explaining very simply, with numbers, that black people are killed at  a higher rate.  
One can also ignorantly say black people commit more crimes.  That's irrelevant.  They're not getting shot(murdered) at the same rate.
It explains it so simply laid out that someone as thick as a goal post could figure it out.

So you can't actually post a link and handwave instead. You just proved his point.

More whites are killed by police than blacks. Blacks killed by police are a higher percentage of the demographic, but only half the percentage of whites killed by police when violent crime rates are taken into account.

If you don't take violent crime rates into account then you'd say that males are violently discriminated against because females, while half the population, are close to zero in being killed by a cop. That would also be nonsense since females commit a very low percentage of violent crimes.

And I CAN post a link: Link

The allegation is that the entire criminal justice system gives blacks harsher treatment than other races.
The raw number of people killed by police can help us prove it or disprove it.
Normalizing that number to the percentage of population of each race helps us understand.
But normalizing it to reported instances of violent crime does not help. Those reports were generated by the system itself.
If I told you that a certain factory worker had calibrated all of the pressure gauges on his production line incorrectly, how would you figure out if I was right or not? You would need to compare his gauges to a baseline of gauges that you know work. You wouldn't just compare the readings on two of the gauges he worked on to figure out if I was right or not. You would compare one of his gauges to one of someone else's gauges.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

So you can't actually post a link and handwave instead. You just proved his point.

More whites are killed by police than blacks. Blacks killed by police are a higher percentage of the demographic, but only half the percentage of whites killed by police when violent crime rates are taken into account.

If you don't take violent crime rates into account then you'd say that males are violently discriminated against because females, while half the population, are close to zero in being killed by a cop. That would also be nonsense since females commit a very low percentage of violent crimes.

And I CAN post a link: Link

The allegation is that the entire criminal justice system gives blacks harsher treatment than other races.
The raw number of people killed by police can help us prove it or disprove it.
Normalizing that number to the percentage of population of each race helps us understand.
But normalizing it to reported instances of violent crime does not help. Those reports were generated by the system itself.
If I told you that a certain factory worker had calibrated all of the pressure gauges on his production line incorrectly, how would you figure out if I was right or not!? You would need to compare his gauges to a baseline of gauges that you know work. You wouldn't just compare the readings on two of the gauges he worked on to figure out if I was right or not. You would compare one of his gauges to one of someone else's gauges.

I bet you're truly surprised to find out that shark bites are non-existent among people who don't swim.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato