(09-28-2020, 04:20 PM)hb1148 Wrote:

(09-28-2020, 11:06 AM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: People freak out after one bad game. Yet guys like Matt Ryan and Carson Wentz who are considered franchise guys get chance after chance. I think Minshew is our guy. It's the FO's  job to build around him. No QB in this league can succeed with bad protection, no running game, and no number 1 receiver, which were all the case vs. Miami. If you give Minshew those 3 things paired with Gruden's playbook, he is easily a franchise QB. He just needs to work on pocket presence and seeing the field just a little but better. He's got what it takes. He's a classic west coast rythym passer. This kind of QB has had success at the NFL level since the days of Joe Montana. I still believe in Minshew and I believe that he will prove a lot of you wrong.

I think you may ultimately be right. I remind myself that many NFL observers feel like Kyler Murray is the next big thing and yet Minshew has slightly outplayed him. I'm not saying Minshew is going to be a better player, but it does give some perspective.

Not only last year, but in some ways this year Gardner is outplaying Kyler. Kyler does have more win on this season and more rushing TD's and a better QBR this year, 75.5 to Gardner's 68.7. Though, him and Gardner have the same amount of wins in total as starters (They both have seven wins). 

Gardner has a better passer rating, more touchdowns and less interceptions this season. Gardner's passer rating for the season is over 100 (101.3), while Kyler's is 79.7 And that is factoring in Gardner's performance against Miami. Kyler has more interceptions than he does passing TDs. (4TDS, 5INT), while Gardner has twice as many TD's to interceptions (6TDs 3INTS). And Gardner has one more passing yard than Kyler so far, lol (787 to Kyler's 786).

They each have the edge over each other in some areas, and some ways Gardner has been better. When you look at how they have performed/their stats they really are right there with each other. But some people like to act like Kyler is way better than Gardner and that Gardner can't be a franchise guy.

(09-29-2020, 02:20 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: Murray over Allen? lol that list is a joke.

Maybe in the future he might end up having the better career, but I agree he shouldn't be ranked above Josh Allen right now. Josh has had a better career so far and is doing really well right now. But the media loves to hype up Kyler and I can't say I'm surprised they put him over Josh Allen. 

Looking at the rest of the list, I could see Justin Herbert moving up it at some point, maybe during this season. I have liked his poise since being thrown into the fire at short notice. And I think that Sam Darnold is ranked too high. I would currently put Daniel Jones over him.

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