(09-22-2020, 01:06 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote:

(09-22-2020, 01:01 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Did they make the playoffs? No, and they had the thinnest cupcake schedule in the league that year. 

Belichick received time to grow in NE, time bought to him by Brady. If a coach is truly defined by his talent only and can overcome a deficient roster, then why didn’t Belichick have a winning record before Brady? If you look at any consistently winning coach, not just him, you’ll always find a good QB behind him. 

That’s not to say Marrone should stay; I’m just saying if the jags surprise us this year and win say, 8 games a case can be made for him to stay. Can be. Not necessarily should be

BB have always have been obsessed with being a winner and one of the best HC ever, do you really think Doug is the same?
are BB teams similar at all to Marrones teams? no? what differences do you see?

So was Cam done or not? because Patriots look good
You really think all the Patriots success was more thanks to Brady than to BB?

Can't believe someone actually needs to be explained all this...

It’s still early in the season and the Pats are 1-1. Far too early to say they will end up a playoff team; hello 2018 Jags starting 3-1 including a blowout of the Pats. I’m not sure what to evaluate of newton, but they seem to run him a lot which isn’t sustainable. 

I didn’t say all success was due to Brady only, but until Brady, BB had a losing record and would have likely been fired (again) if the pats didn’t make the playoffs that year. 

It’s not just BB. 95 percent of Hall of game/borderline good coaches have always had a good or great QB under center. Belichick = Brady, Noll = Bradshaw, Walsh = Montana, Johnson = Aikman, Carroll = Wilson, Andy Reid = McNabb, Smith, Mahomes, list goes on. I’m not saying they bad coaches, but You’ll also notice a common theme with all those coaches; they had middling or poor results until the right guy was plugged under center. There of course will be the notable exceptions, like the 2000 ravens for example; but noticed what happened to Brian Billick’s results in the long run. 

So, if Minshew is the guy, and we win some games this year, the question is do we keep continuity with Marrone? What if we fire him and the new guy doesn’t want Gruden? I think Marrone should have been let go last year, but it is what it is

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