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Anybody Still Doubting Caldwell?

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(This post was last modified: 09-22-2020, 08:46 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(09-22-2020, 08:36 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(09-21-2020, 12:13 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: The GM is ultimately responsible for EVERYTHING about the team's success (or lack thereof, in our case).

I disagree with his ability to assess talent.  Because part of the talent assessment is character.  If you bring in a bunch of low character, "talented" players, you get 36-76 over 8 years.  And equally as important to bringing in great players, is bringing in a competent coaching staff.  He has hired 2 head coaches and has missed both times.  If we do not get to 7 or 8 wins this season MINIMUM, he needs to be shown the door.

What "low character guys?"

Telvin Smith made it to a Pro Bowl and his second contract, then he retired before all of this stuff hit the fan with him.  He was a captain at least part of the time here.

Allen Robinson didn't get into any trouble either here or in Chicago.  No signs he was a locker room cancer.  He wanted to play elsewhere, and part of that was due to TC.

Yannick Ngakoue was lauded throughout his career here for being a solid citizen.  When he got into the fight with Fowler, should be no big deal.  It's a football team.  Guys will fight, though admittedly I have rarely seen two guys on the same side of the ball come to blows.  When all was said and done, Fowler was deemed to be in the wrong and shipped out, not Ngakoue. Ir wasn't until TC ticked him (Ngakoue) off in contract negotiations that Ngakoue started being unhappy.  Just because players are upset with their teams over contract negotiations does not make them locker room cancers.  Players know that is part of the business.  MJD and DD both had their contract issues with the team, and they were, by all accounts, solid locker room guys.

That leaves three players who might be construed as "low character guys":  Fowler, Ramsey and Fournette.

The most Fowler is known to have done is gotten into fights-one with Yan and the other with the guy where he threw his beer into a pond.  Is he a hothead?  Perhaps.  A cancer?  I dunno.

Ramsey?  He was outspoken (GQ interview, armored car at training camp), wanted a new deal, faked a back injury to force a trade.  Apparently, the rest of the NFL didn't see him as a problem, because most of the league at least made inquiry regarding his trade availability.  The Rams were so undeterred by ramsey's alleged locker room villainy, they were willing to spend two first round picks and a 4th round pick to obtain him, and with him being on the team since last year, the Rams were still willing to sign him to a lucrative contract extension. 

Which leaves Fournette.  Not too much to say about fournette. 

I think the "character argument against Caldwell is weak in the overall scheme of things.  Being a tough negotiatior or reliant upon the experience and acumen of an agent who is s tough negotiator does not make you a person of low character.

Another Caldwell apologist?  Which one are you?  Cousin?  Nephew?  You guys are hysterical.

Give me your version of why everyone wants to leave Jacksonville then?  They CANNOT WAIT to get out of here.  They get excited when they land up in Cleveland.  Cleveland.  Ohio.  With the Browns.  That Cleveland.

This is a results-oriented business. There are no "moral victories". Our record with DC is 36-76.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  Enough said.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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RE: Anybody Still Doubting Caldwell? - by mikesez - 09-22-2020, 11:56 AM
RE: Anybody Still Doubting Caldwell? - by FBT - 09-21-2020, 12:35 PM
RE: Anybody Still Doubting Caldwell? - by NCJag - 09-21-2020, 12:43 PM
RE: Anybody Still Doubting Caldwell? - by CampArm - 09-21-2020, 10:48 AM
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