(09-22-2020, 08:42 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:

(09-22-2020, 08:36 PM)Bullseye Wrote: What "low character guys?"

Telvin Smith made it to a Pro Bowl and his second contract, then he retired before all of this stuff hit the fan with him.  He was a captain at least part of the time here.

Allen Robinson didn't get into any trouble either here or in Chicago.  No signs he was a locker room cancer.  He wanted to play elsewhere, and part of that was due to TC.

Yannick Ngakoue was lauded throughout his career here for being a solid citizen.  When he got into the fight with Fowler, should be no big deal.  It's a football team.  Guys will fight, though admittedly I have rarely seen two guys on the same side of the ball come to blows.  When all was said and done, Fowler was deemed to be in the wrong and shipped out, not Ngakoue. Ir wasn't until TC ticked him (Ngakoue) off in contract negotiations that Ngakoue started being unhappy.  Just because players are upset with their teams over contract negotiations does not make them locker room cancers.  Players know that is part of the business.  MJD and DD both had their contract issues with the team, and they were, by all accounts, solid locker room guys.

That leaves three players who might be construed as "low character guys":  Fowler, Ramsey and Fournette.

The most Fowler is known to have done is gotten into fights-one with Yan and the other with the guy where he threw his beer into a pond.  Is he a hothead?  Perhaps.  A cancer?  I dunno.

Ramsey?  He was outspoken (GQ interview, armored car at training camp), wanted a new deal, faked a back injury to force a trade.  Apparently, the rest of the NFL didn't see him as a problem, because most of the league at least made inquiry regarding his trade availability.  The Rams were so undeterred by ramsey's alleged locker room villainy, they were willing to spend two first round picks and a 4th round pick to obtain him, and with him being on the team since last year, the Rams were still willing to sign him to a lucrative contract extension. 

Which leaves Fournette.  Not too much to say about fournette. 

I think the "character argument against Caldwell is weak in the overall scheme of things.  Being a tough negotiatior or reliant upon the experience and acumen of an agent who is s tough negotiator does not make you a person of low character.

Another Caldwell apologist?  Which one are you?  Cousin?  Nephew?  You guys are hysterical.

Give me your version of why everyone wants to leave Jacksonville then?  They CANNOT WAIT to get out of here.  They get excited when they land up in Cleveland.  Cleveland.  Ohio.  With the Browns.  That Cleveland.

This is a results-oriented business.  There are no "moral victories".  Our record with DC is 36-76.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  Enough said.

Notably absent from your response to me is anything resembling a factual rebuttal.

Accordingly, I urge you to examine the facts, notably:

All of the picks mentioned above all had exposure to TC, and none publicly expressed dissatisfaction here until TC arrived.  It's no coincidence that 25% of all complaints league wide to the NFLPA over fines, etc.
were focused on TC and his oppressive antics.  Just about all of those players you mentioned was tied to some sort of run in with TC or had some complaint about him after the fact.  He has a history both here and in New York of alienating talented players, including Mark Brunell and Tiki Barber, among others.

Yes, the record under Caldwell is not good.

But NO GM was going to win with the roster Caldwell inherited, and I defy you to establish a credible case proving otherwise.  That disastrous roster coupled with Caldwell's miss on Bradley created those early results, and there is some indication that surfaced later that Bradley was NOT Caldwell's pick.  But I still put Bradley in Caldwell's column.

Riddle me this:

Both TC and Caldwell have been here at least 8 seasons.

What 3rd round or lower draft picks made the Pro Bowl under TC?  What players drafted in the 3rd round or lower amounted to any more than roster fillers?

I will spot you Aaron Beasley.

Go.

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