(09-28-2020, 04:03 PM)Kane Wrote:

(09-28-2020, 01:04 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: In 2019 it was not the same team or talent level.  Malik was gone.  Ramsey only played 3 games and was a malcontent and team cancer until traded.  Dareus might be at the end of his career... played 5 or 6 games in 2019 and his career could be over.  If not, his value certainly will not be as high as it was.  Calias was in Year 12 of his NFL career and was a solid player but not who he once had been.  Bouye was a guy who benefited in 2017 because of our pass rush and has not had a season like that before or after that year... just an average player imo.  I will give you Yannick... having him on one side helped Allen on the other last year.  You can see his lack of presence is now hurting Allen.

The route we took to build that D-Line via free agency was not sustainable for long.  It costs a lot of money and veteran play tends to diminish as they get deeper into their careers.  You can say the names of players on the roster are the same, but the talent drops.  Dareus and Calais in 2019 were not the same  players they were in 2017.  Calais did not drop as fast or far as Dareus, but he still dropped.  What's the saying?  "You can't step in the same river twice".  It applies to football rosters each year as well, especially ones relying on high-priced aging veterans.

Uhh okay.... you can split hairs and cut Wash slack if you want to. Fact is, Wash as DC has had more bad games than good as DC (even in 2017 he got pencil whipped by certain teams like a Gabbert led Cardinals team and the 9ers).
In 2018 we lost a few of the '17 stars but the overall roster was mostly the same. Only big names that were gone from 17 were Poz and Jackson and we released Church a few games into the season iirc. In 2019 Dareus got hurt mid season but we were getting gashed in the run game before that injury. And yeah talent drops off but if Wash needs a 2017 all-star type team to be good, then he isn't good. Which I believe is kinda the point being made by many.
And you skimmed over the whole fact that after the 2017 run Ramsey, Gipson, Bouye, and others spoke out about Wash's scheme/playcalling. So if they hated the scheme how could it possibly work with younger or less talented players?

You hate Caldwell and think he's to blame for the defensive issues and you're right to an extent. The defense is being completely rebuilt after Caldwell under Coughlin bought in big $ FAs and jettisoned 2 of the top players on this defense. If Campbell and Bouye's play were declining, moving them was the right move. What's the saying? "Rome wasn't built in a day" It applies to football rosters too I guess.

The offense, generally speaking, looks solid. OL play looked improved in weeks 1 and 2. Under Gruden the play calling seems to fit Minshew and the weapons that Caldwell has surrounded him with. Maybe even found a gem in Robinson.
Caldwell certainly has the ability to build a roster if given time. But Wash doesn't seem to have the ability to adapt his play calling or scheme to work around weaknesses or to play against other team's weaknesses. 

Against a rookie QB, with a terrible OL, and a team not running the ball very well, will he be able to capitalize or will he continue to rush 4 (with 5 or 6 blocking on offense) and hope the back 7 can cover for 6+ seconds?
I have my doubts.

I think my points have misunderstood by many here... maybe that is my fault.  I thought I have made it clear that I am not a fan of Wash and would be happy if he is gone.  But the problem still remains...lack of talent.  Rome was not built in a day, but this is YEAR 8.  And we have only had one winning season.  It should have been reload, not rebuild at this point.  And that is not acceptable.  

Our D is atrocious and our offense is average at best.  I know we all like Chark, but would you put him in the upper half of the League in #1 receivers?  Go look at that list and tell me if you would.  Same thing with QB.  Same thing with RB.  Same thing with TE (I might actually put the TE in the upper half of the League... maybe).  O-line is average as well.  Every unit we have is average at best.  You put that all together and you have the #22 ranked offense.  Statistically speaking, we are actually ranked higher on D than offense after 3 games, if you can believe that.

You and I are in agreement about a rookie QB and bad o-line vs. Cincy.  I would hope we blitz them early and often to see if they can handle it.  We played 3 veteran QB's prior, so I can see why Wash sat back more in those situations.  If he doesn't come out more aggressive against Cincy, I will be with you guys here carrying my pitchfork!  lol

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