(12-08-2020, 03:13 PM)Firesky Wrote:

(12-08-2020, 10:09 AM)rfc17 Wrote: I haven't watched tons of college football this year so I haven't seen much of these players other than highlights and a few quarters of games.  So all of these opinions are based on very little sample size and whatever I've read.

With Trask, it is hard to know how strong his arm is as he does seem to put touch on the majority of this throws.  Looking through his highlights, every now and then you see him throw it with velocity but it isn't often.  And makes you wonder is he less confident and less accurate when having to do so.  Or does he only do so when he feels like it is really needed.  He seems like a very solid and efficient QB that is putting up huge numbers but have to admit I'm not wowed when I watch him play.  That isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as he is accurate and reliably moves the ball down the field.  But I feel like there arent a ton of highlight plays.  Which makes me wonder how high the ceiling is.  

Justin Fields scares me just because running is such a big part of his game.  With the way the NFL is played now, a running QB scares me less as you cant really hit a guy even when he moves out of the pocket and takes off down the field.  But running QBs, especially in college, tend to be throwing to wide open receivers and have a lot of time to throw.  One of the criticisms of Haskins when he was at Ohio St was that he had all day to throw, was benefiting from tons of yards after the catch, and that his numbers when pressured really tanked.  And Haskins wasnt even a running QB but Ohio St's talent is usually so much better than their opponents.  I havent seen the similar analysis on Fields yet but have heard those concerns dont apply to him nearly as much as Haskins.  But when pressured is he just taking off running where Haskins was forced to throw?  Who knows.  side note, did anyone listen to Prisco and Boselli a few weeks ago on their monday night show?  They were talking about how with Lamar Jackson, everyone was so afraid of his running and were playing zone behind him.  But now defenses are playing a lot more tight man and Lamar's failings as a pure passer are getting more exposed.  Always the concern with QBs where running is such a huge part of their game.

Didnt see any of Zach Wilson against Coastal Carolina but was disappointed by the numbers.  Obviously CC is having a great year but would like to think a first round QB would light them up.  I'm sure Wilson isn't playing with elite talent around him the way these other guys are but still.  From a pure skills standpoint, I like him better than everyone but Lawrence.  The guy has a big arm and is surprising mobile but running isnt really part of his game.  Just an added dimension when needed.  Seems like he could be a real boom or bust prospect.  

Have seen even less of Mac Jones but the few quarters of games I saw, he just screamed Bama QB to me.  Maybe the guy is much more talented than I realize and I just havent seen him enough.

My opinion on all these guys is subject to change if I ever get around to watching more.  At this point I dont think I'd have a problem drafting Trask, Fields, or Wilson in the first.  #2 may sound high for some but not sure we could afford to take a chance any would be there in the mid-20s.  QB is all that matters anymore so you have to swing for the fence whenever the opportunity presents itself.  Still hoping we can somehow land the first pick in the draft though.

Fields doesn't scare me at all, I really think everyone in this thread is sleeping on him. "Running QB" is laughable, yes he's a "dual threat" but he is far from run first even when he breaks the pocket to extend plays. 

Fields reminds me of a slightly less athletic Lamar Jackson who's MILES better as a thrower. Another way to describe him would be "What RG3 was supposed to be" or a "Bigger Deshaun Watson"

PROS: Fields is 6'3" 220+, runs a 4.4 40, has a big arm, is accurate, can take snaps from under center, great mechanics, a quick release, solid footwork, his best attribute is making plays when protection & the play break down, can throw on the run, & is aggressive trying to push the ball downfield. 

CONS: Lack of experience (only played 2019 & this season) & almost every other negative stems from that, improve at reading defenses pre snap, knowing when to throw the ball away if nothing is there and live for the next play.


He'd be the consensus #1 overall pick in any other draft. He's a better prospect than Kyler Murray was who went #1. I can do a more detailed film room breakdown on why I like him so much, he's honestly the best fit of any QB for what the Jags Offense has in terms of personnel right now. I understand the Indiana game has some people concerned but every prospect has had a game where they struggle, Lawrence looked atrocious when they hung on for a 1 point win against UNC (unranked) in 2019 & no one batted an eye, hell Lawrence struggled in BOTH CFP games he played last year (under <55% completion in the semis & 48% completion in the NCG) and there wasn't a single analyst who showed concerned about his future prospects in the nfl or consensus #1 pick status.  I don't think it's time to raise the alarm just because Fields had an off day against a Top 10 ranked team in Indiana, and still won the game.

Fields hasn't faced a decent defense his entire career. And now that the Michigan game has been cancelled, Ohio State won't even be eligible to go to their own conference's championship game.

As much as I hate UF prospects... Trask looks really, really good. Need to see how well or badly he does in the SEC Championship, though.

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