(03-06-2021, 10:20 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(03-06-2021, 08:25 AM)Bullseye Wrote: To me, Trevor Lawrence has the higher ceiling.  He's bigger, more athletic, and by all accounts has a high football intelligence, is tough, and has great leadership ability.  I've read at least one account, for whatever it's worth, that Wilson has an arrogance and sense of entitlement about him.  Not that it equates to that much of a concern.  Lots of QBs are arrogant, and sometimes it pays dividends for them.  But you never know how it will manifest itself-good or bad.  I think in the wrong situation, it could blow up.

Ultimately I believe both are good enough prospects to where their ability will not be the issue in determining whether they succeed.  Their success will ultimately be determined by whether or not their teams can put sufficient talent around them to succeed and health.  It's way too early to determine that, and neither the Jaguars or the Jets have anything close to a complete roster, otherwise they would not be in this draft position.  But right now, assuming the Jaguars take TL and the Jets take Wilson, the Jaguars have more pieces around Lawrence than the Jets have for Wilson.

You never can tell how accurate these accounts are. I've read several articles saying he was liked a lot by his teammates and he had a fantastic work ethic. Maybe he does have a bit of arrogance to him. Success tends to breed this. IMO, Aaron Rodgers is extremely arrogant, but he has the respect of his teammates and he is very successful. It can work. It's not like the reports I read of Josh Rosen coming out of college. Apparently, those were right. They said his arrogance rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and many people didn't like him. It all depends on how that arrogance manifest itself. 

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Actually, the kind of arrogance described mirrors Rosen's.  I read that Wilson comes from a wealthy family and that's where his arrogance/entitlement comes from.  Again, I don't know how much validity that has or what, to be honest.  That report was not as bad or as numerous as those Rosen reports.  I know if he can play and he produces, players will respect him.

Quote:I totally agree with you on the fact that their ultimate success depends on how their teams decide to build around them. That is why it's so important to me that we start by upgrading the OT  and TE position. Both of our OT's are putrid and need to be replaced and we need to find a reliable TE. If we can upgrade those positions, Lawrence should have a good chance to succeed. We already have a good WR unit and a very good RB.

Under normal circumstances, I agree with placing a heavy early round emphasis on skill players.  But under our current circumstances, you and I are in complete agreement on this point.  Left Tackle needs to be upgraded, period.  Right Tackle needs to be upgraded, period.  I do NOT want Norwell gone.  Providing protection for Lawrence is of paramount importance.  The only solace I take in our current situation (and believe me, it's miniscule) is that the situation isn't as bad as Dallas in 1989 was when Aikman first entered the league.  The Dallas offensive line was a mess.  They had Tuinei, who was still learning to play LT being converted from a college DT.  They had Nate Newton and Kevin Gogan, who weren't developed and the team didn't know their positions (both had stints at RT).  Mark Stepnoski was a rookie.  On top of all of that, they were in an absolutely brutal division in terms of defense with the Parcells/Belicheck era Giants with Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks that won the Super Bowl in 1990, the Gibbs era Washington team with Charles Mann, Wilber Marshall and Darrell Green that won the Super Bowl in 1991, and the best defense to never appear in a Super Bowl, the Buddy Ryan era Eagles with Reggie White in his prime, Clyde Simmons, Jerome Brown, Seth Joyner, Eric Allen and Andre Waters. 

Regardless, our current OL situation is intolerable if Lawerence is to have any success.  Upgrading the T spots is non negotiable.

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